Stay or go? EU poll - Oh the irony.

Graham_Devon

ruggedtoast wrote: »

An expert on coupons you may be Graham, a savant of agriculture, fisheries and food you are not.

Consider for one moment that fish will swim freely throughout the entire ocean, and not always in a straight line.

Strange post.

It doesn't matter which way they are swimming. What matter is we can't fish for them.

Neither can Belgium, but it would appear Belgium sticks two fingers up and tells everyone else to go whistle and carries on regardless.

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

this seems to show the exact opposite

the population of the EU is about 507 million
of the UK it is about 64 million or about 12.6%
of Germany it is about 80.7 or about 15.9%
of France it is about 60.5 million or 12.9%


so the UK with only 10% of senior managers
Germany with 15.6%
France with 8.5%

It would seem that UK and France are considerably unrepresented.

Who would have believed it? we have more influence than the French.

Wheezy_2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Neither can Belgium, but it would appear Belgium sticks two fingers up and tells everyone else to go whistle and carries on regardless.

No I don't think that's true.
Do you have a source that shows Belgium is flouting any rules imposed by treaty or acting illegally in any way?

Graham_Devon

Wheezy wrote: »

No I don't think that's true.
Do you have a source that shows Belgium is flouting any rules imposed by treaty or acting illegally in any way?

Fisherman were on the local news this morning whingeing about it.

http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/disaster_for_north_devon_fishing_industry_1_3812925

“The combination of EU fishing quotas and Government incompetence have delivered what might be a terminal blow to North Devon’s fishing industry,” he said.


“While the North Devon fleet is tied up and banned from fishing, Belgian and French boats are continuing to take fish on a huge scale outside our six-mile limit. The oldest fishing port in the UK, Appledore, faces extinction while our supposedly-threatened fish are taken by foreign vessels and landed in Europe.”

Seems the Belgiums are not doing anything wrong here. The news this morning made out there were carrying on regardless.

However, whichever way you cut it, it seems crazy to have a ban for us due to quotas while just outside our area limit in the very same waters, Belgium and France continue to fish for the very same stocks.

The fisherman on the news this morning sttaed "you can physically see their boats trawling up and down, while were stuck on the shores with a fishing ban".

If you were that fisherman and you had a family to bring up, would you see this as just and fair?

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

Who would have believed it? we have more influence than the French.

who would believe that the statistic has any significance

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Fisherman were on the local news this morning whingeing about it.

http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/disaster_for_north_devon_fishing_industry_1_3812925

Seems the Belgiums are not doing anything wrong here. The news this morning made out there were carrying on regardless.

However, whichever way you cut it, it seems crazy to have a ban for us due to quotas while just outside our area limit in the very same waters, Belgium and France continue to fish for the very same stocks.

The fisherman on the news this morning sttaed "you can physically see their boats trawling up and down, while were stuck on the shores with a fishing ban".

If you were that fisherman and you had a family to bring up, would you see this as just and fair?

So basically we have overfished our quotas but the Belgian and French havn't yet? Tell you what let us have a free for all and hope there are some fish left in the future.

Graham_Devon

StevieJ wrote: »

So basically we have overfished our quotas but the Belgian and French havn't yet? Tell you what let us have a free for all and hope there are some fish left in the future.

No.

And if you had bothered to read the story you'd have seen why what you are saying isn't the case....as much as you may want it to be.

Our quotas have been cut 50% by the EU since 2009 for a start.

Generali

StevieJ wrote: »

So basically we have overfished our quotas but the Belgian and French havn't yet? Tell you what let us have a free for all and hope there are some fish left in the future.

That's exactly why the quotas are in place, to let each fisherman take their share of a limited stock of fish.

You can take all your quota in January or you can take it spread across the year
Once you've taken all you're allowed then that's it. From the article it would appear that the Devon fishermen have taken more than they're allowed. That may not be the fault of the processors but it is their problem.

leveller2911

Generali wrote: »

That's exactly why the quotas are in place, to let each fisherman take their share of a limited stock of fish.

I'm not sure you understand fishing Gen. Say for instance this months Cod quota is 80 stone and you land 80 stone. This doesn't stop cod from being netted along with whiting, haddock etc so you may catch another 150 stone of cod but you can't land it. By the time its aboad the boat its dead, swim bladder burst as it ascends to the surface. Quotas are set monthly so its not uncommon for boats to have a Cod quota of 2kg during the height of the cod season.

Far better to say to fishermen, You can go to sea 15 days a month and catch as much fish or whichever species and sell it. They should also ban all the huge factory ships that hoover up every creature in their path. Even Greenpeace say the small boat fleet are more sustainable.

Throwing back dead fish does not preserve fish stocks, "discard" is due to be banned around 2018 , quite what the fishermen are supposed to do with the fish is a good question. This is the problem with EU fishing policy , its not sustaining fish its a fudge.............

Generali

leveller2911 wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand fishing Gen. Say for instance this months Cod quota is 80 stone and you land 80 stone. This doesn't stop cod from being netted along with whiting, haddock etc so you may catch another 150 stone of cod but you can't land it. By the time its aboad the boat its dead, swim bladder burst as it ascends to the surface. Quotas are set monthly so its not uncommon for boats to have a Cod quota of 2kg during the height of the cod season.

Far better to say to fishermen, You can go to sea 15 days a month and catch as much fish or whichever species and sell it. They should also ban all the huge factory ships that hoover up every creature in their path. Even Greenpeace say the small boat fleet are more sustainable.

Throwing back dead fish does not preserve fish stocks, "discard" is due to be banned around 2018 , quite what the fishermen are supposed to do with the fish is a good question. This is the problem with EU fishing policy , its not sustaining fish its a fudge.............

My point, made as inelegantly as usual, was that the other EU fishermen hadn't broken the rules, in fact the British had!

As to your point about the rules being inadequate. It seems to me from what you say that the EU has looked at the situation and addressed it through its internal structures. Agreeing something like this through an existing framework is much simpler than trying to agree it ad hoc. Certainly the problem isn't one that North Devon or even the UK can resolve alone.