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Stay or go? EU poll - Oh the irony.

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  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    Bantex wrote: »
    What influence do we have over EU decision making?

    As much influence as any other comparably sized country in the EU.

    And a lot more than countries like Norway.....
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Graham_Devon
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    HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
    As much influence as any other comparably sized country in the EU.

    And a lot more than countries like Norway.....

    What specific influence?
  • StevieJ
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    Graham_Devon wrote: »
    What specific influence?
    A bit more if our elected representatives actually attended votes etc icon8.gif
    UKIP MEPs have failed to protect British business interests in Brussels, according to party defectors and an FT analysis that showed the party misses key votes and committees, while claiming hundreds of thousands of euros in pay and expenses

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/85563e82-8f44-11e3-be85-00144feab7de.html#axzz3HXnMnx9G
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Bantex_2
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    Can MEPs vote down any statute changes?
  • Generali
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    Bantex wrote: »
    Can MEPs vote down any statute changes?

    AIUI, most are voted on by ministers.
  • Graham_Devon
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    A bit more if our elected representatives actually attended votes etc icon8.gif


    A bit more than what?

    The fact that we have a seat and "influence" has been bought up several times now.

    But what influence do we have? Maybe I'm not hearing about the success stories, but all we seem to hear about in the media is how we have failed to do X Y and Z when it comes to the EU.
  • CLAPTON
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    HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »
    As much influence as any other comparably sized country in the EU.

    And a lot more than countries like Norway.....



    basically as much influence as the Tories have in Scottish Holyrood
  • StevieJ
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    Graham_Devon wrote: »
    A bit more than what?

    The fact that we have a seat and "influence" has been bought up several times now.

    But what influence do we have? Maybe I'm not hearing about the success stories, but all we seem to hear about in the media is how we have failed to do X Y and Z when it comes to the EU.

    The media have much to answer for icon9.gif The crap that they inject into peoples minds is astounding.
    7. Immigration and ethnicity: the public think that 31% of the population are immigrants, when the official figures are 13%[viii]. Even estimates that attempt to account for illegal immigration suggest a figure closer to 15%. There are similar misperceptions on ethnicity: the average estimate is that Black and Asian people make up 30% of the population, when it is actually 11% (or 14% if we include mixed and other non-white ethnic groups)[ix].

    http://www.metareads.com/articles/read/ipsos-mori-poll-perceptions-are-not-reality/a76c0752-6dd0-4a92-a711-79f6d9e7d870
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    The media have much to answer for icon9.gif The crap that they inject into peoples minds is astounding.


    http://www.metareads.com/articles/read/ipsos-mori-poll-perceptions-are-not-reality/a76c0752-6dd0-4a92-a711-79f6d9e7d870

    What specific influence do we have? (third time!)

    Only this morning, we have yet another example of how the EU is working for us. North Devon fisherman are losing income as we stick to strict quotas on fishing in the Bristol Channel.

    Good stuff. Fish stocks are low, let's give them time.

    Trouble is, what it's really done is removed the competition for Belgium vessels who continue to crawl the waters, taking not a blind bit of notice of the EU. The English trawlermen are throwing the catch back in, and the Belgium trawlers re-catching them and taking them with them.

    It's all grand having influence, but exactly what influence we have is the question I'm asking....as I'm sure you are aware, but seem unable to answer....
  • ruggedtoast
    ruggedtoast Posts: 9,819 Forumite
    Graham_Devon wrote: »
    What specific influence do we have? (third time!)

    Only this morning, we have yet another example of how the EU is working for us. North Devon fisherman are losing income as we stick to strict quotas on fishing in the Bristol Channel.

    Good stuff. Fish stocks are low, let's give them time.

    Trouble is, what it's really done is removed the competition for Belgium vessels who continue to crawl the waters, taking not a blind bit of notice of the EU. The English trawlermen are throwing the catch back in, and the Belgium trawlers re-catching them and taking them with them.

    It's all grand having influence, but exactly what influence we have is the question I'm asking....as I'm sure you are aware, but seem unable to answer....

    An expert on coupons you may be Graham, a savant of agriculture, fisheries and food you are not.

    Consider for one moment that fish will swim freely throughout the entire ocean, and not always in a straight line.
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