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Stop Bloody Moaning!!!
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neverdespairgirl wrote: »Almost no-one legally in the UK goes near a foodbank, can't afford to eat properly, or can't buy shoes unless they make a significant mess of their lives and finance, IME. They've run up debts, blown their cash on silly things, got sanctioned on benefits for doing something foolish, and so forth.
Try doing some community work it may broaden your narrow perspective of the world. It's extremely satisfying as well.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Try doing some community work it may broaden your narrow perspective of the world. It's extremely satisfying as well.
(1) I don't have a "narrow perspective of the world" and
(2) I am not doing any voluntary work at the moment as I have a small baby, but
(3) I've done an average of about 3 hours / week for the past 15 years at a legal clinic, where I've seen a massive, massive variety of people with a huge variety of problems, including many, many homeless people, foodbank users, etc.
I do criminal and immigration work. I see the most unfortunate and lowest in society pretty much every day (and those two catagories of people are by no means the same).
And that vast experience tells me that people using foodbanks and so forth are, mostly, at least partly the authors of their own misfortune.
Anyone else want to patronise me about "you should do community work.."? Because I'd place at least a fiver on me doing more than 99.99% of the population....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »So your experience doesn't recognise divorce? Death? Illness? Curveballs?
I know someone who made a good living, until they were diagnosed with a serious nerve problem, which, as a self employed person, stopped them working, with no benefits to fall back on. Lost the house, ended up in divorce a couple of years later. Now lives back home with his parents, as the age of around 45-50.
What choices should he have made? Clearly he made wrong choices, right? He's living with his elderly mum and dad.
Presumably you would have done things differently? Chosen not to have nerve problems? Chosen a different partner who may have stuck with you through everything....as you'd have known all this before you took the decision to marry them?
I know someone else who had a high flying job, but now has twins, one with downs sydrome and is seriously struggling. Their life has changed unimaginably.....if only they had chosen a different path....
Again, I'm just saying, easy to sit there and preach about choices if you've never had an issue in life. But seriously, people suffer from unknowns all the time. it's not as easy as "choosing the right path to success".
Graham, don't be both silly and self-rightous at the same time, all the time. Honestly!
Those examples are ways life can go seriously, seriously wrong and cause great trouble.
Neither would result in a person needing to use foodbanks and so forth for financial reasons only....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »Anyone else want to patronise me about "you should do community work.
Not intending to patronise you. So I apologise. Personally I've encountered many instances where misfortune or an unexpected event is the start of the slippery slope downwards. This is a reflection of society today as much as the people themselves.0 -
I was in Turkey for an expo once. It was slow and the Turkish girl I was working with saw me checking the UK news on my laptop. She had studied in London.
What's in the news she asked?
Er, I though, looking at the screen trying to find something she might care about.
Nothing. Nothing as usual. She said. There is never any news in England. Not like in Turkey. Every day there is a crisis or something.
At the time there was a constitutional crisis and the army were corralling protesters while the government were busing in thugs from the countryside to stick the boot in.
I gratefully agreed with her.0 -
I don`t think so.
The story of this country is not one generally of revolution and unrest but by hook or by crook getting by.
We have one of the most sophisticated electorates in the world, and it is typically British that we quietly vote for UKIP (and SNP perhaps!) in order to hold our currently out of touch political elites feet to the fire rather than vote for the far right as they tend to do in lesser countries.
This country is still a beacon for the advancement of the human condition and I wouldn`t live anywhere else.
And that happy state of affairs has come to pass by people never accepting that what they have is as good as it gets, and having a strong conviction that the ruling class aren't to be trusted.
What a paradox.0 -
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The weather's lousy though. And the people! All they ever seem to do is moan.
Isn't this thread a moan about people moaning?
If it is , it's quite a good example of a moany thread !
We in the UK have evolved the art of moaning to a new higher level.
We have constant radio ads where those who moan about their bank charges can seek redress. There are also ads about hearing loss compensation. Different moan but still a moan.
Little wonder then that moaning seems pervasive.0 -
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Graham_Devon wrote: »people suffer from unknowns all the time. it's not as easy as "choosing the right path to success".
This is such a typical post from those of a certain viewpoint on here....
Graham you have once again taken the vanishingly rare exceptions to the rule and tried to portray such outcomes as commonplace.....
When in fact serious negative "unknowns" of the type you used as examples are so uncommon as to be noteworthy.
Rare nerve disorders, Downs syndrome, etc, are tragic things to have happen we can all agree, but they are very, very rare, and you're talking fractions of a percent of the population.
Nobody will dispute that a tiny, tiny percentage will be genuinely unlucky and succumb to rare illnesses, etc, and for those people it is no doubt very unfair and their challenges shouldn't be trivialised or understated....
But for the overwhelmingly vast majority of people achieving success in life is and always has been as simple as making sensible choices and working hard and luck has virtually nothing to do with it.
And for those that don't succeed, as NDG puts it......neverdespairgirl wrote: »vast experience tells me that people using foodbanks and so forth are, mostly, at least partly the authors of their own misfortune.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Not sure I agree Hamish really,
If you had the same genes and the same life experiences as a fool, would it be possible to be less foolish ? I'm not sure it would.
You see families over hundreds of years replicating the same behaviour. Daughters daughters daughters turning out quite like their grand mother.
Older I get more I think the trick is to ensure the right people are in the right jobs and ensure there is a fair system to share the wealth, not to make the chickens pull the carts or berate them for there failure to do so and instead encourage everyone to judge themselves by there situation and no one else's.
People do have free will but only to a degree. Some people are compelled to talk, others compelled to save, some compelled to take risk.
Your DNA is unique and your life experiences are unique and I personally think that for the best part, that had very little to with you or I and everything to do with the cards we were given at birth.Proudly voted remain. A global union of countries is the only way to commit global capital to the rule of law.0
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