Stop Bloody Moaning!!!

James_B.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No they don't. For the simple reason that people differ.

Seems you lost your working class background somewhere on the escalator called life.

You think that you can lose your background?

What a weird point of view. I will forever have been born where I was born, and to have been shaped by it. Being successful materially does not change a person.

It's maybe more fair to say that your aversion to success drove you to avoid it, if you thought that it removed your soul then that perhaps explains why you made bad choices.

James_B.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Only if their parents grant them those chances.

A 1 year old cannot make their own decisions.

Neither can a 3 year old, or a 5 year old and so on. Their choices are dictated to them by their parents. They only have access to the things you have described if their parents grant them that access and provide them the means of taking advantage.

What you are saying is utterly ridiculous.

I went from my mining town and state comp via Oxford and CERN to financial success. You seem to believe that this is not possible, which is perhaps why you never tried, but it's nonsensical of you to pretend that your lack of effort means that it is not possible for others to achieve what they want.

Your blaming of your parents is honestly nauseating, but likely explains where you find yourself. A different person would take personal responsibility. Do they know that you feel this way about what they gave you?

ukcarper

James_B. wrote: »

I went from my mining town and state comp via Oxford and CERN to financial success. You seem to believe that this is not possible, which is perhaps why you never tried, but it's nonsensical of you to pretend that your lack of effort means that it is not possible for others to achieve what they want.

Your blaming of your parents is honestly nauseating, but likely explains where you find yourself. A different person would take personal responsibility. Do they know that you feel this way about what they gave you?

You are missing the point so you made good from a mining town many people make good from underprivileged backgrounds but if you really believe that all people in such backgrounds are in a position to do so you are mistaken.

If it doesn't make any difference why do so many people go to the expense of buying property in areas with good schools. I would imagine your parents had a good work ethic and that was instilled in you. I've done reasonably OK from a working glass background perhaps not well enough to buy expensive flat by the Thames but well enough to live an enjoyable life but I realise it was in part down to the way my parents bought me up.

Bantex_2

James_B. wrote: »

I went from my mining town and state comp via Oxford and CERN to financial success. You seem to believe that this is not possible, which is perhaps why you never tried, but it's nonsensical of you to pretend that your lack of effort means that it is not possible for others to achieve what they want.

Your blaming of your parents is honestly nauseating, but likely explains where you find yourself. A different person would take personal responsibility. Do they know that you feel this way about what they gave you?

It does appear you were lucky enough to have been born very clever. Not many people are that lucky.

PenguinJim

wotsthat wrote: »

padington wrote: »

Your DNA is unique and your life experiences are unique and I personally think that for the best part, that had very little to with you or I and everything to do with the cards we were given at birth.

Cavemen had exactly the same DNA as us so that effect is negligible. If we all do the same as our parents this would be the 'debate cave prices board'.

wotsthat wrote: »

The genetics of the UK are no different to anyone else's.

If this is some sort of stealth attack on the UK's education system, then well played.

allthingsmustpass

Bantex wrote: »

It does appear you were lucky enough to have been born very clever.

I beg to differ

N1AK

James_B. wrote: »

Rubbish.

Thanks for warning us about what was about to follow.

James_B. wrote: »

In every way that matters, both have the same chances. Both will be educated by the state, both have access to the NHS, to the same universities, and the same jobs market.

The quality of state schools is not constant across the country (even if that is shocking news to you) and parental input into childrens learning has a large, and well studied, impact. The sheer enormity of the influence family conditions has on average outcomes is astounding.

James_B. wrote: »

and also arguing that we should not discourage young single teenagers from having children if they choose...

A nice touch this, adding a unrelated strawman to the end of your post to doubly emphasise that you wouldn't know decent debating technique if it punched you in the face. I especially like that this undermines your early false rant about parents not mattering to a child's success.