Stop Bloody Moaning!!!

Generali

cepheus wrote: »

[the UK]

What a bunch of elitist, pretentious, Southern claptrap. So the politicians are friends of elite businessmen, some Londoners, but mostly themselves. The Daily Mail reading public have been brainwashed by the media. [URL="VIDEO: Police clear #OccupyDemocracy protesters from Parliament Square"] They just don't report the disorder.[/URL]

The Occupy Movement! A few hundred well intentioned dellusionalists. Not the stuff of revolution I'm afraid Comrade.

cepheus

Yes but America is the worst of the developed countries to the vulnerable.



BBCr4 today still not covering occupydemocracy despite 5 days of scenes like this outside Parliament

James_B.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Edit: and having just looked at some of your recent posts, it's of no surprise you have this viewpoint, seemingly a very priveleged person youself. Easier to say this stuff when you aren't waiting for payday to eat.

Priviliged?

I was born in a mining town to a working class family, attended a state comprehensive, and then left home at 18 to start my tertiary education. Yes, privileged that thus was in the UK, not Somalia, but extremely unlikely that I was any more privileged than you.

I think that the only difference between us is that I took responsibility early, planned for the future, and then worked towards it. You seem to have done little, and expected others to provide for you, which is why our paths have diverged.

I see this often, and never understand it. Your choices have lead you to where you are, mine lead me here. Complaining about what you have done in life is weird.

Graham_Devon

James_B. wrote: »

I think that the only difference between us is that I took responsibility early, planned for the future, and then worked towards it. You seem to have done little, and expected others to provide for you, which is why our paths have diverged.

In what sense, may I ask?

I've never claimed any benefits, only child benefit comes in.

I work, I pay tax.

How am I expecting others to provide for me out of curiosity?

And yes, privileged. Into what you were born does not mean you cannot be privileged today.

What I'm suggesting here is that you may not realise just what goes on at the lower end of society. Claiming that people should be happy as they have an inside toilet only adds confirmation to this.

It's very easy to say everything you are saying if you are not living within it. Very easy to tell others to be happy and stop moaning if you do not face the issues they face.

An inside loo does not solve those issues, neither does it make them better. You are confusing technological advances and assuming everyone should be happy due to them. By that thought process, people in Syria should be happy they are living in tents they can easily move instead of having to resort to fixed caves.

They very fact you "see these things often, but never understand them" suggests you may need to think outside of the box?

cepheus

Disgraceful behaviour by Totalitarian Local Authorities and Police.

BBCNews BBCNewsnight Check out this insightful reporting into policing of occupydemocracy, you used to do that

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/2014/10/23/occupytarpaulin-when-the-law-enables-police-to-breach-human-rights/ …

neverdespairgirl

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's a broad statement. Peoples circumstances differ. Inequality has never been wider. If there was a safety net for everyone then there would no need for foodbanks nor homeless shelters.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

There are many in this country who cannot eat a square meal every day. Who cannot afford to buy shoes for their children. etc etc. The overarching point being that the numbers are growing.

If you are at that end of the scale, and watching equality widen even further, it's much harder to be blase about your "luxury" of eating as and when you can becoming even more of an issue.

As for your "you sicken me" nonsense.....give it a break.

Almost no-one legally in the UK goes near a foodbank, can't afford to eat properly, or can't buy shoes unless they make a significant mess of their lives and finance, IME. They've run up debts, blown their cash on silly things, got sanctioned on benefits for doing something foolish, and so forth.

There may be issues about how the welfare state deals with those suffering from mental illness, !!!!lessness, alcoholism, etc. But that's rather different.

neverdespairgirl

cepheus wrote: »

BBCr4 today still not covering occupydemocracy despite 5 days of scenes like this outside Parliament

Those policemen aren't doing a great job of looking evil. They are more standing around having a natter.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

In what sense, may I ask?

I've never claimed any benefits, only child benefit comes in.

Child benefit never "comes in". You have to make a deliberate decision to claim it, and apply to get it.

Thrugelmir

James_B. wrote: »

Inequality has never been wider?

That is possibly the most ridiculous thing ever posted. Inequality has never been less. The bottom decile have cars, mobile phones, warm homes, inside toilets, and microwave ovens. They live in luxury unimaginable to pretty much everyone even thirty years ago, and still it seems they do not have enough.

You've a different perception of equality to me.

Where's financial in your list?

Thrugelmir

James_B. wrote: »

Priviliged?

I was born in a mining town to a working class family, attended a state comprehensive, and then left home at 18 to start my tertiary education. Yes, privileged that thus was in the UK, not Somalia, but extremely unlikely that I was any more privileged than you.

I think that the only difference between us is that I took responsibility early, planned for the future, and then worked towards it. You seem to have done little, and expected others to provide for you, which is why our paths have diverged.

I see this often, and never understand it. Your choices have lead you to where you are, mine lead me here. Complaining about what you have done in life is weird.

Life has many variables. Easy to plan. Not so easy to see these plans through.

Graham_Devon

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Almost no-one legally in the UK goes near a foodbank, can't afford to eat properly, or can't buy shoes unless they make a significant mess of their lives and finance, IME.

So your experience doesn't recognise divorce? Death? Illness? Curveballs?

I know someone who made a good living, until they were diagnosed with a serious nerve problem, which, as a self employed person, stopped them working, with no benefits to fall back on. Lost the house, ended up in divorce a couple of years later. Now lives back home with his parents, as the age of around 45-50.

What choices should he have made? Clearly he made wrong choices, right? He's living with his elderly mum and dad.

Presumably you would have done things differently? Chosen not to have nerve problems? Chosen a different partner who may have stuck with you through everything....as you'd have known all this before you took the decision to marry them?

I know someone else who had a high flying job, but now has twins, one with downs sydrome and is seriously struggling. Their life has changed unimaginably.....if only they had chosen a different path....

Again, I'm just saying, easy to sit there and preach about choices if you've never had an issue in life. But seriously, people suffer from unknowns all the time. it's not as easy as "choosing the right path to success".