After School Trouble

GetOut

OK, point taken, I'll leave the whole qualification/CRB check out of the discussion though I feel some sort of understanding of children's psychology surely would be needed to provide care

GetOut

tooldle wrote: »

Was this cut fruit?
I've seen similar happen when a child sneezed in close proximity to a tray of jam tarts. Doesn't excuse the reaction though.

Yes, cut. He said he didn't sneeze. I genuinely exhausted every possibility including fruit juice squirting, drooling by accident or sneezing.

maman

GetOut wrote: »

Yes, cut. He said he didn't sneeze. I genuinely exhausted every possibility including fruit juice squirting, drooling by accident or sneezing.

I think that you need to say to the Head that your son may/may not have sneezed/spat and if he did you hope it was an accident but can't be sure as you weren't there BUT your real reason for being there is the screaming at your child and the humiliation in front of others.

quidsy

Yes, forget about the actual fruit incident, the issue is the reaction of the person supposed to be in charge of your child's well being, physical & emotional. In that she failed, big time.

GobbledyGook

I wouldn't go down the CRB / qualifications route.

The issue isn't what qualifications she has - she could have them coming out her ears, but that wouldn't make the way she handled the issue any better. You also get some fantastic parent helpers with no qualifications who make fantastic additions to schools.

I would stick to the facts about the incident - the screaming at the child, screaming at you, the fact all of this was conducted in front of the other children and staff as well as the fact that she cannot tell you what exactly happened. At that point I'd add in that you had that issue before, but let it go because you assumed that staff within the school would apply the behaviour rules appropriately.

It is simply unacceptable to treat a child like that in a school setting, especially when it seems she doesn't actually know what he did.

Edited to say - I think you must mention the vagueness from her. Losing your temper at a child who'd gone around deliberately spitting on every piece of fruit is still unacceptable, but is slightly more understandable than losing the rag with a child who you think might have spat, but might have sprayed fruit juice when he bit into a pear. Also mention that she says loads of children do it - if they do, and it happens all the time (which I doubt) then she's obviously unable to think of any measures to stop it happening.

maman

GobbledyGook wrote: »

I wouldn't go down the CRB / qualifications route.


It is simply unacceptable to treat a child like that in a school setting, especially when it seems she doesn't actually know what he did.

I'd agree. It was me that brought it up lack of qualifications originally. I was simply pointing out that not everyone who works at a school is a 'professional'.
It's a hobby horse of mine.


I think screaming at children is unacceptable in any setting. Sadly, I see far too much of it in supermarkets and in the street from children's own parents.

GetOut

maman wrote: »

I think that you need to say to the Head that your son may/may not have sneezed/spat and if he did you hope it was an accident but can't be sure as you weren't there BUT your real reason for being there is the screaming at your child and the humiliation in front of others.

Thanks all for your help, much appreciated.

I am not prepared to say he might have done it, there's zero proof. Innocent until proven guilty.

I will however make it all about the subsequent reaction of hers and not the supposed incident itself. The point of mine she completely dismissed this morning and refused to discuss point blank.

maman

GetOut wrote: »

Thanks all for your help, much appreciated.

I am not prepared to say he might have done it, there's zero proof. Innocent until proven guilty.

I will however make it all about the subsequent reaction of hers and not the supposed incident itself. The point of mine she completely dismissed this morning and refused to discuss point blank.

I understand that. What I meant was that he might have coughed or sneezed or whatever you just don't know as you weren't there. You have a much stronger case on the shouting and screaming as you were there as were many others.

GobbledyGook

maman wrote: »

I'd agree. It was me that brought it up lack of qualifications originally. I was simply pointing out that not everyone who works at a school is a 'professional'.
It's a hobby horse of mine.


I think screaming at children is unacceptable in any setting. Sadly, I see far too much of it in supermarkets and in the street from children's own parents.

I agree about the screaming. I seem to have lost half of my original post (I'm not getting on with my new tablet at all!)

The reason I said 'school setting' is I wouldn't be overly surprised if the school said 'You have to take it up with the manager of the club, it is not school run'.

There are lots of clubs held in schools that are not the responsibility of schools, but in this instance a small child was screamed at 'in the school setting' which makes it of interest to the school because little kids can't differentiate between in school and 'in school, but not really' imo.

carolpinkdreamer

I would suggest that the Head also speaks, privately, to the other adults and children that were present. They may have many similar incidents to tell him.