recommend some all round tyres

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AdrianC wrote: »

she reports them as being MUCH better.

The Evergreens or the Avons?

AdrianC

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

The Evergreens or the Avons?

The Avons.

Iceweasel

Gloomendoom wrote: »

If you look specifically for "all-season" tyres for cars, they tend to also have the M+S marking but none of the nobbles. Some also have the snowflake mark too but, from reviews I have read, these tend to suffer from a very high wear rate used year round.

I still reckon if you do less than 10K a year then having one set of wheels with Winter tyres that you use all year round is cheaper that having 2 sets of wheels and safer than using Summer tyres in Winter.

It;s not just to do with snow - Winter tyres give a lot more grip when the temperature goes below 7degreesC.

That's what people who live in Austria, Bavaria, Northern Italy and most of the Balkan countries tend to do.

Gloomendoom

Iceweasel wrote: »

I still reckon if you do less than 10K a year then having one set of wheels with Winter tyres that you use all year round is cheaper that having 2 sets of wheels and safer than using Summer tyres in Winter.

It;s not just to do with snow - Winter tyres give a lot more grip when the temperature goes below 7degreesC.

That's what people who live in Austria, Bavaria, Northern Italy and most of the Balkan countries tend to do.

I know. That is why we have a set of winter and summer tyres for my wife's SUV, all-seasons on my (needs stupid expensive tyres) RWD saloon, and f*%k off knobbly, fantastic in deep snow, off-road tyres on my 4x4.

darkmatter101

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

Please tell us you don't do as you suggest and run Chinese tat on an M3?

I have already mentioned that I use Michelin Cups on my M3. The OP doesn't drive an M3 or any car of that league, a budget tyre would suffice.

People say that the Chinese budget tyres are 'dangerous..blah blah,' of course it isn't otherwise it wouldn't meet regulations or be on sale. It can be dangerous (like any other tyre) if you drive like a loon

gilbert_and_sullivan

darkmatter101 wrote: »

I have already mentioned that I use Michelin Cups on my M3. The OP doesn't drive an M3 or any car of that league, a budget tyre would suffice.

People say that the Chinese budget tyres are 'dangerous..blah blah,' of course it isn't otherwise it wouldn't meet regulations or be on sale. It can be dangerous (like any other tyre) if you drive like a loon

So what cut off point should one use then before needing a real tyre, 100bhp per ton?, any difference RWD only no ASR, but if car has FWD and Extra Sensory Perception or whatever the electronic garbage fitted to make people think they are driving gods is called, then rubbish rubber is fine?



I knew i'd regret.

onomatopoeia99

Iceweasel wrote: »

They are not a luxury.

Because (as yet) only a minority of people have true winter tyres is why the roads are chaotic when we get frost or snow.

Cue a horde of posts from folks who will say:

They don't need them.
or
They manage fine without them.
or
We don't have enough snow in the UK.
or
They are too expensive.
or
They have nowhere to keep an extra set of wheels.
or
They like sliding all over the place - kerbing their wheels and causing accidents.
or
.....
or
.....

I don't need them. I manage fine without them. We don't have enough snow in the UK. Certainly not down here in the south west.

Happy now?

They aren't too expensive, I do have space and I don't slide all over the place. Driving on snow on normal tyres without "sliding around all over the place" is not difficult, provided you exercise caution. Many people don't exercise caution, or say "It's a 4wd SUV, I don't understand why it slides off on corners" as they are driving around on snow as if it's a dry road, because they don't understand the difference between traction and grip.


Drive to the conditions and respect the limits of the vehicle. It's not rocket science!

darkmatter101

gilbert_and_sullivan wrote: »

So what cut off point should one use then before needing a real tyre, 100bhp per ton?, any difference RWD only no ASR, but if car has FWD and Extra Sensory Perception or whatever the electronic garbage fitted to make people think they are driving gods is called, then rubbish rubber is fine?



I knew i'd regret.

Please give your definition of a "real" tyre? In your opinion are budget Chinese tyres not "real" tyres? These budget tyres all meet UK and european safety standards and yes, they may not grip as well as some of the premium brands, but are they really worth twice the price?

Unless you drive in a spirited manner and/or do many miles/year or drive a performance car I don't see the need of spending the extra on premium brands. Is it up to the individual to know the limits of their cars and drive safely, not the rubber on the car.

force_ten

onomatopoeia99 wrote: »

I don't need them. I manage fine without them. We don't have enough snow in the UK. Certainly not down here in the south west.

Happy now?

They aren't too expensive, I do have space and I don't slide all over the place. Driving on snow on normal tyres without "sliding around all over the place" is not difficult, provided you exercise caution. Many people don't exercise caution, or say "It's a 4wd SUV, I don't understand why it slides off on corners" as they are driving around on snow as if it's a dry road, because they don't understand the difference between traction and grip.


Drive to the conditions and respect the limits of the vehicle. It's not rocket science!

youtube/video

have a look at that video and it will show the chaos a small amount of snow can cause

a car fitted with full winter tyres would easily cope with that amount of snow and much of that chaos would have been avoided

I fully understand that people in the south east get little or no snow and as a whole the country does not get that much, but when one inch of snow falls people in ill prepared car try to push on then the roads descend into chaos and people blame the council for not gritting or not ploughing the roads

come the end of october my car will be fitted with full winter tyres, in the boot i will have a set of snow socks, a set of snow chains, a large plastic shovel, a sleeping bag, a good torch, a high viz jacket, and extra screen wash

some may see this as overkill but i see it as doing everything i can to keep moving when the weather turns poor, the only limitations to me are ill prepared motorists blocking the road or six inch depth of soft snow causing a ploughing effect and stopping the car

force_ten

darkmatter101 wrote: »

Please give your definition of a "real" tyre? In your opinion are budget Chinese tyres not "real" tyres? These budget tyres all meet UK and european safety standards and yes, they may not grip as well as some of the premium brands, but are they really worth twice the price?

Unless you drive in a spirited manner and/or do many miles/year or drive a performance car I don't see the need of spending the extra on premium brands. Is it up to the individual to know the limits of their cars and drive safely, not the rubber on the car.

the question is would you fit them on your car?

and if not why reccomend them to somebody else?