Co-op refused to change the fake £2 they gave me in change.

wannabehermit

Why not just use it in next you go shopping? No-one checks coins, they just go straight into the till. I don't really see the issue, it's nothing to get worked up about imo. If it was a note, then that's different, but it's only a £2 coin which you'll be able to get rid of in the next shop you go in.

bod1467

Azari wrote: »

Your reading skills seem to be all but no-existent.

Who said anything about you not being allowed to post nonsense - or anything else?



You quoted a post of mine after the comment: "I said nothing of the sort."

I was merely pointing out that I never said you did. :rotfl:

It seems that it is YOUR reading skills that need attention.

bod1467

Azari wrote: »

I challenge all those who maintain that there is no offence if no one can prove you knew something was counterfeit to walk into a supermarket with a fake note and refuse to pay properly once made aware of the fact that the note is fake. I'd love to see how far you'd get. :rotfl:

bod1467 wrote: »

You can refuse to pay with non-counterfeit money - they can equally refuse to let you leave with the goods.

Azari wrote: »

You are saying that if the shop decide that a coin is counterfeit they can physically prevent you from using it but if the shopper decides it is counterfeit they have to just put up with it unless they bring a civil suit.

I replied directly to your comment to me.

antrobus

Azari wrote: »

If someone hands you a fake coin and you refuse to accept it and they in turn refuse to replace it I am still pretty much convinced that they are committing an offence of passing counterfeit coinage.....

So it seems.

Azari wrote: »

...The transaction has not completed until you accept what you are given and so they are aware that the coin is fake during the transaction.......

Correct. The transaction has not been completed.

Azari wrote: »

.....I am not convinced by the arguments presented here because it effectively means that people could be passing counterfeit currency, claiming not to know it was counterfeit, and the recipients would be powerless to do anything other than mount a civil action.....

In order to sustain a criminal charge, you would have to establish intent.

Azari wrote: »

....
I challenge all those who maintain that there is no offence if no one can prove you knew something was counterfeit to walk into a supermarket with a fake note and refuse to pay properly once made aware of the fact that the note is fake. I'd love to see how far you'd get.

You would get precisely nowhere. You'd have to leave the shop without the goods you intended to purchase. What you would not, however, get is a criminal record for doing so.

londonTiger

To be honest, nobody trains staff on fake coins, people rarely count coins let as long check for authenticity. Maybe you can take it to your bank and get a receipt as proof. Then get the name of staff and write to head office and they'll write you a £2 cheque.

Or just keep it as an satirical souvenir, when I was 17 a shop owner gave me a diana and Prince of Wales commemorative £5 coin. It cost £5 to buy back then but was not legal tender. Anyway long story short shop owner tricked me into taking it as change but some 10 years later I still have it and it was the first coin in my small coin collection.

esuhl

Nick_C wrote: »

In that position, if I had had the time, I would
(i) call the police
(ii) refuse to move until I got the coin changed
(iii) make a point of telling every other customer in the shop in a very loud voice that they were trying to fob people off with counterfeit currency.

Exactly what I would have done.

londonTiger

The sad thing is if op asked can I have 2 pound coins insteadplease, the cashier would have obliged but since op pointed out the fake coin, they assume that cashier is trying to pull a fast one and think they are being conned.

geerex

londonTiger wrote: »

To be honest, nobody trains staff on fake coins, people rarely count coins let as long check for authenticity. Maybe you can take it to your bank and get a receipt as proof. Then get the name of staff and write to head office and they'll write you a £2 cheque.

Or just keep it as an satirical souvenir, when I was 17 a shop owner gave me a diana and Prince of Wales commemorative £5 coin. It cost £5 to buy back then but was not legal tender. Anyway long story short shop owner tricked me into taking it as change but some 10 years later I still have it and it was the first coin in my small coin collection.

Nothing is legal tender, apart from legal tender which may or may not be legal tender anyway. Maybe.

Azari

antrobus wrote: »

So it seems.



Correct. The transaction has not been completed.



In order to sustain a criminal charge, you would have to establish intent.

And as the transaction is not complete, the cashier is now aware that the coin is fake, and s/he still insists that you accept it, then they clearly do intend to use the fake coin.

Although it would probably only be a criminal act if they refused to reverse the transaction. (Reversal being the equivalent of the customer not being able to leave with goods purchased with a fake coin.)

Azari

bod1467 wrote: »

It seems that it is YOUR reading skills that need attention.

I just love the way you keep saying things without any backup logic.

bod1467 wrote: »

I replied directly to your comment to me.

Wrong.

Please make sure someone supplies you with a couple of sandwiches before your next picnic.

in post #33 I quoted antrobus but said: "I challenge all those who ..."

You then jumped in in post #38 and said you never said any such thing.

If you never said it, then I was clearly not talking to you! (Unless you and antrobus are the same person.) All your subsequent posts aimed at me follow on from that failure on your part to understand that I was never talking to you when I made the "I challenge" comment.