Scottish independence

InvestInPoker

Doshwaster wrote: »

A very heart-felt plea from Canada. Almost brought a tear to my eye.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle20579017/

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zeupater

lr1277 wrote: »

I have been mainly disappointed by the No campaigns negative campaigning.

... but wasn't it always going to be the case .... Ask any question and require a Yes/No response and you automatically introduce the opportunity to criticise based on negativity ... surely this has been the obvious strategy since day1 ... promise the unlikely, promise the undeliverable, then sit back and claim to be the party mounting a 'positive' campaign ...

... don't play with logic, don't play with honesty .... just hold a loose coalition of a myriad of self-interest together and play the short game to win, whatever the consequences.

To me, I actually see the question of negativity the other way, for example an analogy ..... in a car speeding towards a brick wall the following statement & question is posed ' .... the wall will fall down (because I need it to) or will cause no damage (because that's what I say) and I desperately need to win, shall I test my conviction and accelerate?' .... so where's the negative answer, where's the right answer and importantly, would the decision be the same if you were the driver or an onlooker ... are you sure, are you positive ?? ...

The real issue isn't whether what is being said on the issue is positive or negative, it's whether it's likely or unlikely, and whether it's right or wrong ....

Doshwaster

InvestInPoker wrote: »

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Try this one:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/an-open-letter-to-scotland/article20579017/

jimjames

irm wrote: »

The Herald have come out in support of No (kind of) - didn't expect to see that:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/herald-view/once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity-to-cast-a-future-that-meets-the-aspirations-of-sc.25295912

Another very good article. Such a shame that yes won't discuss any of these very valid issues.

ColdIron

Chadsman wrote: »

The Scottish government has also said they intend to lower airport duty.

Funded by what? Increased taxes, reduced services, both?

InvestInPoker

ColdIron wrote: »

Funded by what? Increased taxes, reduced services, both?

Nationalisation of BP obv

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/09/12/bp-to-be-nationalised-the-latest-scottish-independence-threat/

rpc

ColdIron wrote: »

Funded by what? Increased taxes, reduced services, both?

The magic money tree. Either that or someone has a unicorn that ****s gold bricks.

Spending is going up and some taxes have been announced as going down. But not income tax or NI...

Doshwaster

InvestInPoker wrote: »

Nationalisation of BP obv

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/09/12/bp-to-be-nationalised-the-latest-scottish-independence-threat/

We've also heard about the nationalisation of BT and the Royal Mail in Scotland. Just where is the money coming from to pay for those shares?

As a RM shareholder I'd be delighted if the company could offload such a loss making part of the business. Running postal services in most of Scotland is a very expensive operation that customers elsewhere subsidise. However, RM in Scotland must be worth around £500m. That's possibly affordable but the suggestion that HMSG could nationalise BT and BP business in Scotland is laughable. I suppose they'll be wanting RBS too.

Archi_Bald

Doshwaster wrote: »

We've also heard about the nationalisation of BT and the Royal Mail in Scotland. Just where is the money coming from to pay for those shares?

What makes you think they would pay anything for the shares? Proper hard-core socialism will use expropriation if necessary, as it is "in the public interest".

The SNP have already said they would default on their debt if they don't get their will, so it's only a small step to also steal companies from their shareholders.

Doshwaster

Archi_Bald wrote: »

What makes you think they would pay anything for the shares? Proper hard-core socialism will use expropriation if necessary, as it is "in the public interest".

Ah, yes. Salmond has already said that the "Sovereign will of the Scottish people", even if it's only 51% of them, is a higher power than any international law.