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Scottish independence

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  • Archi_Bald
    Archi_Bald Posts: 9,681 Forumite
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    The view of a Scotland based Professor on the ICM poll: http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/icm-agree-race-now-close/
  • jimjames
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    ohreally wrote: »
    Your being disingenuous, budgetary control is one thing, relying on adequate funding coming from Westminster is another.
    Ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29124711

    Is it disingenuous to suggest the NHS will be privatised or is that an outright lie?

    Funding is more than adequate, more per capita that rest of UK. You can't blame Westminster if the Scottish government decide to spend their money on free prescriptions and free tuition fees rather than the NHS. If they didn't think it was enough they could have raised taxes to pay for more spending.

    That's the benefit of devolution/independence or does making your own choices only suit when they are ones that you approve of? There is a limit of how much can be blamed on Westminster and if a yes vote happens suddenly they will have nowhere to hide and no-one else to blame.
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
  • CLAPTON
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    JAZZJIM wrote: »

    [FONT=Arimo, sans-serif]The Plan for Public Services have been thought through and will be FREE at point of use. They will be paid for by Higher Taxes on the Rich and those in the Middle Classes who enjoy very high salaries.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arimo, sans-serif]Lower Corporation Taxes will see Companies,in their droves,flocking into Scotland.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arimo, sans-serif]More jobs will be created and unemployment will dramatically fall. There will be increased support for Nursery Education which will allow more 'stay at home' Mums to go back to work. They will need to go back to work to fill the growing number of jobs that will be created in an Independent Scotland.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arimo, sans-serif]There is also the vast Oil reserves that we already have and the untapped deposits that rest in the West. Alex Salmond has explained that we cannot access these reserves at this time because of the UK Governments restrictions on drilling because of the Faslane Naval Base. When Trident leaves we will access these vast reserves which will further increase our wealth.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arimo, sans-serif]Nicola Sturgeon already says were are richer than England and one of the wealthiest Countries in the World.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arimo, sans-serif]The Golden Years for Scotland lead by Alex Salmond lie ahead.[/FONT]

    :j



    are you a banker?
    you seem sufficiently selfish to qualify
  • lr1277
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    A bit of fun.


    Groundskeeper Willie's view on independence.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6vDzf-wSbk
  • kingrulzuk
    kingrulzuk Posts: 1,330 Forumite
    4 Days to go for ISCOTLAND
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  • can i just ask something about Scotlands Independance??

    If they are independant of England, I mean truly independant, is it fair to say that they will no longer received quite large sums of money from the treasury in England??????

    and if that is the case, just how do they expect to get that sort of money in to run the new independant country.

    or does their being independant mean they still get shed loads of dosh???
  • wiogs
    wiogs Posts: 2,744 Forumite
    can i just ask something about Scotlands Independance??

    If they are independant of England, I mean truly independant, is it fair to say that they will no longer received quite large sums of money from the treasury in England??????

    and if that is the case, just how do they expect to get that sort of money in to run the new independant country.

    or does their being independant mean they still get shed loads of dosh???


    What money are you thinking will come from the rUK (not England) to Scotland?
  • robin61
    robin61 Posts: 677 Forumite
    jimjames wrote: »
    There is a limit of how much can be blamed on Westminster and if a yes vote happens suddenly they will have nowhere to hide and no-one else to blame.


    If they do vote yes ( I think they probably will). I have no doubt that they will still continue to blame Westminster for their ills. They will obviously not come out of the negotiations on assets and liabilities with everything they want so Salmond will keep pulling the victim card which he is so adept at.

    For me I would just about rather we keep the union intact as it will be bad for R of UK in terms of the uncertainty it will create just when the economy is showing signs of recovering from the mess Labour left behind them.

    However with a yes vote there will be a silver lining for me anyway. There will be 60 or so less Socialist Labour, SNP and Lib Dem MP's and the West Lothian question will be addressed. I really believe that even in the event of a no vote this is just the start and we will be here again in a few years so why not just get it over with now ? I also don't like this Devo Max idea. We should not be effectively bribing the Scots to stay in the Union. If they want to stay then fine but it should be under the same terms as the rest of us.
  • Three out of seven BPC pollsters now agree that Yes are on 49% or higher, and five out of seven agree that they are on 47% or higher. (One of the other two doesn't really count, because Ipsos-Mori haven't published a poll since the evening of the first leaders' debate

    Dorothy ---Scotland tax base sends down more to Westminster than we receive.

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  • Wiogs: the money that they would receive from westminster, to run the local governments/authorities, emergency services etc
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