Scottish independence

zeupater

anoncol wrote: »

... Its utter lies, because its talking about being in the EU, but scotland WONT BE! Not immediately anyway.

.... but, just taking data protection mentioned earlier as an example, there needs to be a guaranty for fully agreed provisions to be in place well before independence, else there'll be an enormous flight southwards of data-centric departments in all sorts of industries .....

Business will simply await the result and in the case of a 'Yes', analyse risk, address timescales, then plan to mitigate the apparent risk .... this will be both a business external audit and a regulatory body requirement if they somehow fail to recognise the issue themselves. Considering the likely project timescales and the proposed timetable for independence, the feasibility & analysis phase will likely run until no later than the end of the business financial reporting year (usually Dec or Mar) and if an acceptable solution (EU membership/EEA/Safe Harbour) hasn't been bottomed out by then, there will be no option other than to start to relocate data processing, storage & handling services ...

... it's not simply a case of talk for a while then agree to join at some time in the future as some may think .... nothing's quick or easy in dealing with the EU - anyone remember currency triangulation in the run-up to the Euro and how long that took, and once more, what it actually cost any internationally trading business to implement ??. If it's not been done before, an army of Brussels' bureaucrats will have great fun playing with miles of red tape in order to develop a procedure and process to cope ....

Archi_Bald

zeupater wrote: »

If it's not been done before, an army of Brussels' bureaucrats will have great fun playing with miles of red tape in order to develop a procedure and process to cope ....

Alex with his compelling charm will make history by cutting through all that red tape in no time, don't worry. And if all else fails, he could send in Jim Sellars to teach those enemies of Scotland a lesson. Or may be Nicola could wave her handbag at EU officials.

moneyfoolish

DiamondLil wrote: »

Good to know I'm not alone; thought it was only me that doesn't trust that pit of vipers also known as politicians.

You can add me to the list! I somehow don't think we're alone!

jimjames

ColdIron wrote: »

I wonder what top level domain Scotland will use instead of .uk
It can't be .sc as the Seychelles have that

Will financial institutions have to introduce a new country code for BIC addresses and ISIN and SEDOL codes for use on the SWIFT network and elsewhere?

For that matter what will their international dialling code be? Could get quite expensive phoning your granny in Glasgow

All this negativity You must be being primed by David Cameron.

Anything that isn't supportive of independence is scaremongering. NHS privatisation apparently isn't scaremongering as it's pro independence despite being controlled by Scotland already.

Hopefully those able to vote (note - not the Scottish people) will make a sensible choice.

incandescent

Archi_Bald wrote: »

Not only that - one of the SNP guys has issued a wholesale threat to any and all businesses that dare to publically voice their concerns.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/day-of-reckoning-post-yes-vote-says-jim-sillars-1-3539754

Sillars is just the first* to be stupid enough to say this on record. Businesses have been complaining about threats and intimidation from the SNP for months.

Yes supporters never ask themselves why No supporters don't put stickers on their cars or posters in their windows, or why Yes supporters are making all the noise.

I will be devastated if these people steal our country from us. God knows what they'll turn it into.

* Actually, he's not. Joan McAlpine (MSP) has been saying this sort of thing for years.

anoncol

zeupater wrote: »

.... but, just taking data protection mentioned earlier as an example, there needs to be a guaranty for fully agreed provisions to be in place well before independence, else there'll be an enormous flight southwards of data-centric departments in all sorts of industries .....

Business will simply await the result and in the case of a 'Yes', analyse risk, address timescales, then plan to mitigate the apparent risk .... this will be both a business external audit and a regulatory body requirement if they somehow fail to recognise the issue themselves. Considering the likely project timescales and the proposed timetable for independence, the feasibility & analysis phase will likely run until no later than the end of the business financial reporting year (usually Dec or Mar) and if an acceptable solution (EU membership/EEA/Safe Harbour) hasn't been bottomed out by then, there will be no option other than to start to relocate data processing, storage & handling services ...

... it's not simply a case of talk for a while then agree to join at some time in the future as some may think .... nothing's quick or easy in dealing with the EU - anyone remember currency triangulation in the run-up to the Euro and how long that took, and once more, what it actually cost any internationally trading business to implement ??. If it's not been done before, an army of Brussels' bureaucrats will have great fun playing with miles of red tape in order to develop a procedure and process to cope ....

I just dont get it, i'm exhausted. There seem to be so many flaws in the Scottish @"yes", i must be missing something. How can i be so stupid? How can the scots be so stupid? What are we missing? How can we be so naive?

This scare campaign stuff? The only reply i've ever heard against it is saying its a scare campaign. Well thats a STUPID F** reply if ever i heard one. How about saying why its a scare campaign?

If scots want out, then f** you. If you want to be friends then hi.

incandescent

anoncol wrote: »

If scots want out, then f** you. If you want to be friends then hi.

Can I just point out that even now, the No camp is leading in the polls.

Scots are deeply, horribly divided now and it's 100% the SNP's fault. Whoever wins, no one person or group speaks for "the Scots".

I don't think those in the rest of the UK have any understanding at all of just how unpleasant things are here at the moment. The anxiety and tension here are palpable. People are horribly worried.

kangoora

incandescent wrote: »

Can I just point out that even now, the No camp is leading in the polls.

Scots are deeply, horribly divided now and it's 100% the SNP's fault. Whoever wins, no one person or group speaks for "the Scots".

I don't think those in the rest of the UK have any understanding at all of just how unpleasant things are here at the moment. The anxiety and tension here are palpable. People are horribly worried.

As someone said previously, given the polls, no matter who wins, effectively 50% of the country are going to feel p**sed off and disenfranchised. That's not going to be a good start for any new country.


They should have made the cut-off point 66%, at least then there would be a clear majority in favour.

robin61

incandescent wrote: »

Can I just point out that even now, the No camp is leading in the polls.

Scots are deeply, horribly divided now and it's 100% the SNP's fault. Whoever wins, no one person or group speaks for "the Scots".

I don't think those in the rest of the UK have any understanding at all of just how unpleasant things are here at the moment. The anxiety and tension here are palpable. People are horribly worried.

Yes I am very glad to be living in England. I am worried about this but I would be a hell of a lot more worried if I lived in Scotland. This isn't like casting your vote in a General Election where after 5 years you will get another chance. The decision they make is going to be a permanent one that they will have gambled everything on it.

robin61

zeupater wrote: »

I'm in total agreement there ....

If that's the outcome, the 'Yes' supporters will be bitter with the 'Westminster' and 'The English' who haven't just rolled over without protecting their own positions

I'm happy to be outside the process, but still expect (/demand) my position to be robustly protected if necessary .....

Absolutely. I would fully expect that the UK government to play hard ball and do everything they can to look after the interests of the rest of the UK and that means giving away as little as possible.

Even before negotiations have started the SNP are citing international maritime boundary law and claiming most of the UK's oil reserves for Scotland. Plus threatening not to take a share of the National debt if the 60m UK citizens don't agree to a monetary union with 5m Scots which in effect mean us acting as guarantors for another country !

Well if the debt belongs solely to Westminster so must all of the assets like the army, navy, foreign property and investments etc.
Normally in any negotiation both sides have something to offer the other. Scotland just appears to want to take and has nothing to offer so they do not appear to be in a very strong negotiating position to me. That being the case the SNP are simply not going to come out of this with anything like their wish list. No movement on the uk oil reserves or the national debt ane they may well come out of it with only the assets which are nailed down in Scotland.