Scottish independence

Buzby

planteria wrote: »

it's drawing close now...and i think there is less coverage being given to the matter than there should be. i expect 'No'. i hope 'Yes'.

You don't say where you are based, but the coverage has been relentless here. I voted last week, and I'm heading off on holiday. I look forward to returning to an independent-designate country and trust my Govt to ensure we get the best deal.

How many can say they expect that from Westminster?

talexuser

Buzby wrote: »

Westminster can go hang - we've had enough.

You're not the only one, many English might well feel the same way!
The difference is I doubt they would necessarily want someone with Salmond's record in charge instead.
But good luck to you seeing how the reality pans out against the promises.

Archi_Bald

Buzby wrote: »

You should be ashamed of yourself.

stop bullying people for having their own opinion.

andy_allblack

pip895 wrote: »

I think a No vote will not have much effect, but a Yes would hit UK shares - I have cutt back my UK exposure just in case.

A NO vote wins by 51% to 49%, Tories win election in 2015, SNP, win Scottish Parliamentary election in 2016, referendum number two.
My main question is: Is it true, every member of the EU, must agree to new entrants into the European Union? I can't see Spain, Belgium or Greece agreeing to Scotland's possible entry. If Scotland votes yes, watch for Catalonia, Flanders, even possible Quebec. A domino effect.

zagubov

andy_allblack wrote: »

A NO vote wins by 51% to 49%, Tories win election in 2015, SNP, win Scottish Parliamentary election in 2016, referendum number two.
My main question is: Is it true, every member of the EU, must agree to new entrants into the European Union? I can't see Spain, Belgium or Greece agreeing to Scotland's possible entry. If Scotland votes yes, watch for Catalonia, Flanders, even possible Quebec. A domino effect.

Referendum number two? ah, the one about the EU!;)

Spain gets 25% of its fish catch in Scottish waters and Belgium has the HQ of the bloated EU bureaucracy. Give it the body-swerve and get that other outfit in Geneva to look after Scotland's interests.

Greece? really? has it a breakaway region?

Buzby

talexuser wrote: »

You're not the only one, many English might well feel the same way!
The difference is I doubt they would necessarily want someone with Salmond's record in charge instead.
But good luck to you seeing how the reality pans out against the promises.

We're all in the same boat. Westminster represents the SE very well. The regions considerably less so - which is why it is pointless to characterise this as being anti 'English'. Not so, I hope Newcastle, Liverpool, Birmingham etc get the representation they all deserve.

Buzby

Archi_Bald wrote: »

stop bullying people for having their own opinion.

An opinion? A statement that includes the word 'lies' is not an opinion. It has to be a statement if fact. Therefore, it isn't bullying, it's a credible slur and actionable.

Buzby

talexuser wrote: »

You're not the only one, many English might well feel the same way!
The difference is I doubt they would necessarily want someone with Salmond's record in charge instead.
But good luck to you seeing how the reality pans out against the promises.

His record is pretty good when compared with other politicians. His mandate was to delivered a referendum and he's kept that promise too. Thanks for your good wishes - should it pan out, it won't be easy, but at a stroke will give rUK a more representative voice and that won't be bad.

In the meantime, Scotland will still welcome everyone as it always has done, and who knows mean a bigger thrill as you've bagged a new country!

Archi_Bald

zagubov wrote: »

Spain gets 25% of its fish catch in Scottish waters

Have you got any evidence for this figure? All I could find on the quick are figures from 2011 that suggest that Spain gets just over 4% of its fish and seafood imports from the UK. Your figure is over 6 times that so it would be interesting to see the source and definition of your numbers.

But lets work with your numbers and assume the spanish fish imports from the UK aren't just some USD 300m, but more like USD 1.8bn, that all of that UK fish is scottish fish, and that Spain would not be able to source its entire needs from other countries. Are you seriously suggesting that Scotland would forego this sort of revenue and stop supplying Spain unless Spain does as Scotland wants? Who would pay the scottish fishermen for their lost revenues in this case? Why would Scotland even contemplate Puntin-esque blackmail tactics? Why do you think any of the EU countries would warm to a candidate EU country that seems prepared to use blackmail?

CLAPTON

Buzby wrote: »

His record is pretty good when compared with other politicians. His mandate was to delivered a referendum and he's kept that promise too. Thanks for your good wishes - should it pan out, it won't be easy, but at a stroke will give rUK a more representative voice and that won't be bad.

In the meantime, Scotland will still welcome everyone as it always has done, and who knows mean a bigger thrill as you've bagged a new country!

one might say that the hated UK parliament and its PM David Cameron delivered a referendum


but never let the truth get in the way of a good lie


and I sincerely hope the Scots get an honest decent government whatever outcome: one that is an generous and fair as that of the UK.