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Baptism meeting with father
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Or for pitys sake.
Your right to choose what you wore as a baby was taken away from you.
Your right to choose how you were brought up, whether you were bottle fed or breastfed, had lots of 'friends' or none, whether you had immunisations or medication where 'taken away' from you as a baby.
None of it matters. It's just a small matter of parental beliefs and parents, funnily enough, are in charge and have a right to choose what they want for their children.
See, I don't see it as a small thing. It means something. It's not a decision that should be taken lightly. It's not at all like clothes which can be changed 20 times in a day if you want.0 -
Where did I say that my views were more important? Yes, baptism is important for me but that's my view and I respect that others might have different views.
Right at the point you baptised (or agreed with) baptising children too young to understand.
Either baptism means something or it doesn't. If it doesn't what is the point? Why do it? If it does mean something it should be my choice.
And with that, I'm out.0 -
arbroath_lass wrote: »See, I don't see it as a small thing. It means something. It's not a decision that should be taken lightly. It's not at all like clothes which can be changed 20 times in a day if you want.
It only means something if you have faith. If you don't it's meaningless in a religious sense so should have no baring on you at all. If the parents hae faith it's natural to baptise. If they don't I don't understand it but it does not harm you.
Parents have the responsibility for choosing what they want for you. If they choose to try and raise in faith that is their right. It won't kill you!If women are birds and freedom is flight are trapped women Dodos?0 -
arbroath_lass wrote: »Right at the point you baptised (or agreed with) baptising children too young to understand.
Either baptism means something or it doesn't. If it doesn't what is the point? Why do it? If it does mean something it should be my choice.It only means something if you have faith. If you don't it's meaningless in a religious sense so should have no baring on you at all
This is coming round to the same argument that came up again and again in the "religious assembly at school" thread - the people who support it saying it doesn't matter because it doesn't really affect how people think and the rest of us saying "so why not stop doing it?"0 -
arbroath_lass wrote: »They can do that without the baptism, surely?arbroath_lass wrote: »See, I don't see it as a small thing. It means something. It's not a decision that should be taken lightly. It's not at all like clothes which can be changed 20 times in a day if you want.arbroath_lass wrote: »Right at the point you baptised (or agreed with) baptising children too young to understand.
Either baptism means something or it doesn't. If it doesn't what is the point? Why do it? If it does mean something it should be my choice.
And with that, I'm out.
And if I didn't know better I'd swear you were being argumentative just for the sake of being argumentative.
Yes being baptised isn't an excuse for a party but its about welcoming the child into the Christian family.
If that child when old enough wants to reaffirm that decision made on its behalf then they do so and go through the process of being confirmed -so no they can't reaffirm (which is what the confirmation service is all about) unless the initial promise has been made -if that makes sense.2014 Target;
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I was taught it at school. "Original sin" was the concept, arising from the fall of Adam and shared amongst all humanity from birth. Baptism cleanses it meaning that a baby that has been baptised can enter heaven while one that hasn't will spend eternity in purgatory.Torry_Quine wrote: »I'm not aware that some people are still taught that you have a child baptised to ensure they would be accepted into heaven.Proud member of the wokerati, though I don't eat tofu.Home is where my books are.Solar PV 5.2kWp system, SE facing, >1% shading, installed March 2019.Mortgage free July 20230 -
It only means something if you have faith. If you don't it's meaningless in a religious sense so should have no baring on you at all. If the parents hae faith it's natural to baptise. If they don't I don't understand it but it does not harm you.
Parents have the responsibility for choosing what they want for you. If they choose to try and raise in faith that is their right. It won't kill you!
Erm, there are PLENTY of cases of children dying because their religious (text removed by MSE forum Team) parents refuse medical help believing that God's will is more important. There are plenty of children mutilated, abused and beaten because of religious teachings.Trying to be a man is a waste of a woman0 -
arbroath_lass wrote: »My right to choose if I am BAPTISED or not has been taken away. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
No, and neither am I being deliberately rude.;)0 -
Brighton_belle wrote: »Well, yes, that's my point - they aren't Christians in my opinion, but they consider they are: they consider they have a 'faith' because they were baptised, and are nice to people and other vague wafty feelings: indeed they may even wear a crucifix. It's great to be nice to people, but that doesn't make you a Christian, faith does, and faith that has to be lived out in actions and lifestyle of commitment to following Christ and his teaching, not just an empty phrase.
If they consider themselves to be Christians then they are, regardless of your opinion. However, the situation you describe isn't (IMO) simply based on the fact that they were baptised as children.0 -
It only means something if you have faith. If you don't it's meaningless in a religious sense so should have no baring on you at all. If the parents hae faith it's natural to baptise. If they don't I don't understand it but it does not harm you.
Parents have the responsibility for choosing what they want for you. If they choose to try and raise in faith that is their right. It won't kill you!
I believe that if you are baptised into the RC church you are officially 'on the books' for life. I'd not be too happy about that, personally.0
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