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Baptism meeting with father
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Can't agree - I think loads do: my in-laws for one and all their extended family. And over the years I've met people who considered themselves Christian.. but on further questioning, never went to church, read the bible etc. It just seemed to be some vague wafty feeling they had...because they were christened and they were 'nice' to people.missbiggles1 wrote: »I doubt very much that anybody defines themselves as Christian just because they were baptised as babies! Your prejudice and lack of tolerance is affecting the way you see things, I'm afraid.I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once0 -
missbiggles1 wrote: »Who has taken away your right to define yourself as pagan?
My right to choose if I am BAPTISED or not has been taken away. Are you being deliberately obtuse?0 -
arbroath_lass wrote: »My right to choose if I am BAPTISED or not has been taken away. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
For pity's sake being baptised doesn't mean that you are a fully paid up member of the Christian faith for all eternity.
It simply means that that your parents have made a pledge to bring you in the Christian faith up to a point in time that you can make an informed decision to reaffirm that pledge.2014 Target;
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Brighton_belle wrote: »Can't agree - I think loads do: my in-laws for one and all their extended family. And over the years I've met people who considered themselves Christian.. but on further questioning, never went to church, read the bible etc. It just seemed to be some vague wafty feeling they had...because they were christened and they were 'nice' to people.
People like that just use the name. They don't consider themselves actually Christian,because you need faith to do so. If they don't have faith they can't describe themselves as of faith.If women are birds and freedom is flight are trapped women Dodos?0 -
arbroath_lass wrote: »My right to choose if I am BAPTISED or not has been taken away. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Or for pitys sake.
Your right to choose what you wore as a baby was taken away from you.
Your right to choose how you were brought up, whether you were bottle fed or breastfed, had lots of 'friends' or none, whether you had immunisations or medication where 'taken away' from you as a baby.
None of it matters. It's just a small matter of parental beliefs and parents, funnily enough, are in charge and have a right to choose what they want for their children.If women are birds and freedom is flight are trapped women Dodos?0 -
Can somebody please explain to me how someone who doesn't believe in/follow a faith is in anyway affected by being baptised as a baby? If you don't believe then there is no way it can affect you.If women are birds and freedom is flight are trapped women Dodos?0
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arbroath_lass wrote: »Why is baptism so important to you that you believe your views are more important than mine?
No-one should have the right to take away MY right to choose for myself.
Where did I say that my views were more important? Yes, baptism is important for me but that's my view and I respect that others might have different views.0 -
Well, yes, that's my point - they aren't Christians in my opinion, but they consider they are: they consider they have a 'faith' because they were baptised, and are nice to people and other vague wafty feelings: indeed they may even wear a crucifix. It's great to be nice to people, but that doesn't make you a Christian, faith does, and faith that has to be lived out in actions and lifestyle of commitment to following Christ and his teaching, not just an empty phrase.People like that just use the name. They don't consider themselves actually Christian,because you need faith to do so. If they don't have faith they can't describe themselves as of faith.I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once0 -
seven-day-weekend wrote: »I too don't know why baptism of any flavour would have any interest to an atheist. I was baptised by full immersion when I was 31 and to my atheist family it was a total non-event and none of them attended.
I don't attend baptisms and christenings of babies, but I have done once when it was an adult.
I don't believe in religion at all, it's simply not for me and I hate that I cannot send my children to state school without having to 'remove' them from automatic worship. However, one of my friends is religious, having become so as an adult, and I fully support her choice and her wish to get baptised. It was a lovely day and I was more than happy to be there to support her.
I had no interest in the religious bit, but it was very important to my friend. It was something she'd thought long and hard over and I would have been disappointed in myself if I hadn't supported her (just like she came to my Humanist wedding and was completely supportive of my choice even though according to some religions it wasn't a 'real' wedding).0 -
mountainofdebt wrote: »For pity's sake being baptised doesn't mean that you are a fully paid up member of the Christian faith for all eternity.
It simply means that that your parents have made a pledge to bring you in the Christian faith up to a point in time that you can make an informed decision to reaffirm that pledge.
They can do that without the baptism, surely?0
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