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lostinrates wrote: »Oh good grief. Still not a blow out but very nearly another Puncture. Its bra shopping time again. I knew I should've have talked about it.
Ouch. :eek:Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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Apparently not.
Kwik Fit:
The AA:
In wet conditions, the grooves in the tyre channel water outwards. If they're not deep enough, you get a layer of water between the tyre and the road and lose grip - aquaplaning. This is bad on any wheels, but if it happens on the front you get understeer, which is easier for a normal driver to correct than oversteer, which is what happens if the back wheels aquaplane. That's what the expert witnesses all said, anyway.
You live and learn.
I keep 5 good tyres on my car but Mrs Generali's Uncle owns a tyre shop so we'd be super dumb to go around on canvas.0 -
You live and learn.
I've learnt loads these last few days. I would have been just like you and guessed that the best ones should go on the drive wheels, if I'd ever tried to guess, which I can't say that I had.
Another thing I learnt was if you have to give a witness statement, read through what they type very very carefully, and make absolutely sure it's what you mean before you sign it, because you will look very silly in court if you have to admit you meant something different from what it says, and the coroner/judge/whatever will find all the rest of your evidence less convincing because of it. This applies particularly to professionals like police officers.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.0 -
One of the difficult thing about witness statements I find is that it feels very much as if the attempt to paraphrase you for attempt for clarity and the scribe's decisive to be concise, understandably) can change what you mean.
Its very hard to stick to your guns.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »One of the difficult thing about witness statements I find is that it feels very much as if the attempt to paraphrase you for attempt for clarity and the scribe's decisive to be concise, understandably) can change what you mean.
Its very hard to stick to your guns.
Indeed. But this wasn't like that. I'm thinking of simple facts like which way a car was facing, which side of the road something was on, etc.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.0 -
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lostinrates wrote: »Oh, deary deary me.
I suspect it's easy to make these mistakes. The officer perhaps knew exactly where everything was and which way it was facing, but he turned round a couple of times and momentarily muddled up North with South or left with right. Something like that.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
I suspect it's easy to make these mistakes. The officer perhaps knew exactly where everything was and which way it was facing, but he turned round a couple of times and momentarily muddled up North with South or left with right. Something like that.
It is precisely because such mistakes are so easy to make that it's important to check everything in situations where accuracy is important. And accuracy clearly is important when somebody has died and your evidence is going to be used in court.
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The coroner decided that the combination of these errors indicated a lack of care that cast doubt on his evidence in general.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.0 -
Did they say what a sensible minimum depth of tread is?
Further investigation using Google suggests that actual tests on a wet racetrack found that performance only starts to deteriorate significantly when you get below 3mm. I found the same number on many sites. Here's a link to one of them. It only addresses stopping distance when braking while travelling in a straight line, though. I can't find any data about tread depth when going round a bend in wet conditions, which was the kind of thing under discussion at the inquest.The set up was fairly simple – take three identical Volkswagen Golfs to 50mph and then brake sharply on a wet surface. The only difference between the cars was tread depth on their tyres, which were made by Continental. One had new tyres with 8mm of tread, another 3mm and the final had 1.6mm of tread. Braking distance was measured by GPS.
It took 36 metres (118 feet) to stop with full tread, and a similar 38 metres with 3mm of tread. At 1.6mm, the UK minimum, the stopping distance increased to more than 50 metres, or 164 feet. The difference equates to the length of one and a half Routemaster buses.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.0
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