16yr old bus fine....

bsms1147

rash161 wrote: »

Yes, but there's times where you have to fight off threats and oppressors, like the Ninja fighting the Samurai. Hence also why you don't necessarily hurt someone even when defending yourself. If someone tries to hit me, they'll find themselves falling over, it's their own kinetic energy which causes that, the harder they try to hit, the harder they fall.

And yes, exactly, so if one of them asks for your name, simply walk away, they're not going to do any more than that, if they have your name, it's because you volunteered the information to them, they can't force it out of you.

A revenue inspector will not 'try to hit you'.

And if you do not provide details/walk away, they have the right to detain you.

rash161

bsms1147 wrote: »

A revenue inspector will not 'try to hit you'.

And if you do not provide details/walk away, they have the right to detain you.

The same thing applies to any physical attack, they'll end up hurting themselves

atrixblue.-MFR-.

bsms1147 wrote: »

A revenue inspector will not 'try to hit you'.

And if you do not provide details/walk away, they have the right to detain you.

no they don't!


No one has the right to detain you other than the plod with good reason. you are free to walk away whenever you want they may only follow you and inform police to deal with you.


A conductor grabbing you preventing/detaining you is classed as assault, and professional misconduct in employment terms.


You Don't have tell anyone your name and address or show ID to a conductor at all.

Avoriaz

rash161 wrote: »

I spend the majority of my spare time training in martial arts, most people don't, including law enforcement and especially bus drivers.

Keyboard Karate perhaps?

rash161

Avoriaz wrote: »

Keyboard Karate perhaps?

If you say so

GingerBob_3

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

I notice you said you got on at the rear but I am struggling to think of anywhere in the UK apart from London that has a door at the rear, apart from those that are bendy buses in places like Bristol, so where did this occur?

I think the OP was referring to the situation the last time he used a bus - a long while ago.

wiogs

"What a totally bizarre view of laws.

(Text removed by MSE Forum Team) Last edited by MSE ForumTeam3; Today at 12:21 PM. Reason: Personal abuse"

I see my comments were deemed by someone as "personal abuse"

That is odd as all I said, further to the above was;

"Imagine if someone thought you were being serious.

That would be ridiculous"

Someone has a very thin skin.

I wonder if it was the person who calls members of the judiciary peadophiles, and other posters psychopaths?

Cornucopia

The thread seems to have gone off the rails a bit.

I think the mods (and many posters) are happiest when everyone accepts the principle of the rule of law.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

DUTR wrote: »

A colleague's child (16) has just been stopped on the bus by an inspector for not paying the adult fare (genuine mistake) name and details taken to attract a 35gbp penalty.
OK, so who is actually liable for the penalty? The parent? Or the child?
Just interested in the responses as to whether the bus company follows these through.

so who sold him the child fare, is it reasonable that the driver presumed he was younger? if so then why wasn't the option of paying the remaining fair given upon discovery?
Would also be reasonable to suspect the 16yr old was being deceptive to avoid paying the higher fair?


TBH if the invoice is in the 16yr olds name, he cant be taken to small claims (16 Scotland 18 England and wales) so how the bus CO think their going to get this money paid to them is either that the parent cough it up, or hoping on bob hope and no hope.

DUTR

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

so who sold him the child fare, is it reasonable that the driver presumed he was younger? if so then why wasn't the option of paying the remaining fair given upon discovery?
Would also be reasonable to suspect the 16yr old was being deceptive to avoid paying the higher fair?


TBH if the invoice is in the 16yr olds name, he cant be taken to small claims (16 Scotland 18 England and wales) so how the bus CO think their going to get this money paid to them is either that the parent cough it up, or hoping on bob hope and no hope.

I guess, the driver just issued what was requested, perhaps the passenger did chance it, I don't know as I don't know them, probably wouldn't be the 1st passenger to do so or the last, I checked the prices and the child fare is half the price £1.05 vs £2.10 .
I suppose the parent would be responsible for the penalty, at the same time, I supposed the serial offender would have given a false address or such like or the parent ignore the correspondance (not that I advocate either practice) .