Sharing/conflict resolution at nursery school?

notanewuser

quidsy wrote: »

but that is what THIS school offers. There are other mixed demonination schools that might be a better fit for the op.

In London, yes. Welsh medium schools in the welsh valleys? Not so much. Fee paying welsh medium schools don't exist.

lostinrates

quidsy wrote: »

The op chose this school, she has a choice in whether her child attends this particular school or not. She also has the choice in excluding her child from the pray & RE lessons if she wants but she cannot expect the school to change & others have pointed out that the exclusion may have a detrimental effect on the child amoungst her peers.

One boy at mys sons Christian based school was Muslim, his parents didn't like that the school didn't offer halal food at lunch so moved him to a different fee paying, multi denominational school who did after 2 years. They didn't ask the school the change for them, so whilst there he would have vegetarian option for lunch, they were happy for him to be part of the harvest festival & he was joseph in nativity one year but they made the choice to move him to suit their beliefs once he got a bit older. The op also has this choice.

Hmm. This post actually does challenge my stance some what.

I have long thought school lunches should be well balanced healthy vegetarian offerings that are possible for by far the majority of children to eat together.....kosher/ halal/ vegetarian/ omnivore and animal rights. Vegans and nut allergies, a few others might still struggle ( e.g. I don't eat quorn and wouldn't want a child eating it personally) but they could eat beans and lentils and veg every day as far as I concerned and it would be up to be if I fed pork, shellfish, meat dripping with blood at home, or whatever.


Hmm.have to think about it now. Why I see it a bit differently.

quidsy

But most of the state funded schools in UK & Wales are classified as "Christian" as the UK has been a predominantly Christian country for over 1k years.

The OP has choices but seems more intent in trying to get the school to bend to her will. This is Endland, we (collectivly) are a Christian country, it is what is it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Religion_and_education

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Religious Education and Collective Worship are compulsory in many state schools in England and Wales by virtue of clauses 69 and 70 of the School Standards and Framework Act 1998. Clause 71 of the act gives parents the right to withdraw their children from Religious Education and Collective Worship[133] and parents should be informed of their right in accordance with guidelines published by the Department for Education; "a school should ensure parents or carers are informed of this right".[134] The content of the religious education is decided locally by the Standing Advisory Council on Religious Education.

In England and Wales, a significant number of state funded schools are faith schools with the vast majority Christian (mainly either of Church of England or Roman Catholic) though there are also Jewish, Muslim and Sikh faith schools. Faith schools follow the same national curriculum as state schools, though with the added ethos of the host religion. Until 1944 there was no requirement for state schools to provide religious education or worship, although most did so. The Education Act 1944 introduced a requirement for a daily act of collective worship and for religious education but did not define what was allowable under these terms. The act contained provisions to allow parents to withdraw their children from these activities and for teachers to refuse to participate. The Education Reform Act 1988 introduced a further requirement that the majority of collective worship be "wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character".[135] According to a 2003 report from the Office for Standards in Education, a "third of governing bodies do not fulfil their statutory duties adequately, sometimes because of a failure to pursue thoroughly enough such matters as arranging a daily act of collective worship."[136] However, in honour of the 400th anniversary of the Authorized King James Version, in 2012, the government is distributing a copy of the Bible to all primary and secondary schools.[137]

In Scotland, the majority of schools are non-denominational, but separate Roman Catholic schools, with an element of control by the Roman Catholic Church, are provided within the state system. The Education (Scotland) Act 1980 imposes a statutory duty on all local authorities to provide religious education and religious observance in Scottish schools. These are currently defined by the Scottish Government's Curriculum for Excellence (2005).[138]

Northern Ireland has a highly segregated education system. 95% of pupils attend either maintained (Catholic) schools or controlled schools, which are open to children of all faiths and none, though in practise most pupils are from the Protestant community.

Finding a non demonination school in her area might be better for the op, it will at least remove one of her concerns about the childs education. Now the sharing thing is a whole other kettle of fish altogether.

lostinrates

notanewuser wrote: »

It's actually the opposite. I want DD to have the freedom to explore everything life has to offer. She's not being given that option if she's being forced to pray to one particular deity.

Did you have assemblies etc at school with prayers and nativity plays etc?

Really, as I said before, many 'survive' this without feeling a calling to the church at all. I believe you've even argued on this thread 'most' do.

notanewuser

quidsy wrote: »

But most of the state funded schools in UK & Wales are classified as "Christian" as the UK has been a predominantly Christian country for over 1k years.

The OP has choices but seems more intent in trying to get the school to bend to her will. This is Endland, we (collectivly) are a Christian country, it is what is it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Religion_and_education

Respectfully, Wales is not England.

quidsy wrote: »

Finding a non demonination school in her area might be better for the op, it will at least remove one of her concerns about the childs education. Now the sharing thing is a whole other kettle of fish altogether.

There is no such thing as a non-denominational school in Wales. Not when EVERY local state school has daily worship of a CHRISTIAN nature as enforced by the Welsh Government.

Is there something about this you don't get?

(How that wiki page helps is beyond me.)

What's the issue with the "sharing thing"?

quidsy

But hey, don't feel you need to understand something before commenting negatively on it.

You seem to have skipped over my whole sentance in your desire to be snide.

That leaves, find another school, or to homeschool & restrict your childs access to the outside world.

I've reposted it.

I never said that homeschooling was restrictive but that you would need to homeschool AND restrict her access to the outside world. Even homeschooled kids will be influenced, experience & create their own beleif structure in many things regardless of what their parent wants.

notanewuser

lostinrates wrote: »

Did you have assemblies etc at school with prayers and nativity plays etc?

Really, as I said before, many 'survive' this without feeling a calling to the church at all. I believe you've even argued on this thread 'most' do.

I have, and at the moment I'm prepared to give the school the benefit of the doubt and prove me wrong. One thing I do have faith in is DD.

Yes, I went to a state primary where we had nativities and a weekly assembly (not daily) etc. I don't recall any vicars etc visiting, even though the vicarage was right next door.

I then chose a church secondary school. So daily assemblies, but no other prayers and a termly cathedral service. I wasn't confirmed so didn't take communion. The head teacher was a scientist so RE was taught as a subject rather than peppered through every lesson etc. By 15 it had consolidated my view that I don't believe in any faith.

I'm not sure the experience enhanced my life beyond that which I would have had at the alternative schools. I just preferred the uniform of the church school! :rotfl:

notanewuser

quidsy wrote: »

I've reposted it.

I never said that homeschooling was restrictive but that you would need to homeschool AND restrict her access to the outside world. Even homeschooled kids will be influenced, experience & create their own beleif structure in many things regardless of what their parent wants.

In fairness, it could be read either way.

quidsy

Is there something about this you don't get?

Wow I think you have bigger problems than where you kids goes to school if she is influenced by this attitude on a daily basis. You posted on the internet. You are getting opinions you don't like but it was your desicion to ask for them.

I provided the link to demonstrate to another user that in England, most schools are Christian based even if they don't do much about it.

lostinrates

notanewuser wrote: »

I have, and at the moment I'm prepared to give the school the benefit of the doubt and prove me wrong. One thing I do have faith in is DD.

Yes, I went to a state primary where we had nativities and a weekly assembly (not daily) etc. I don't recall any vicars etc visiting, even though the vicarage was right next door.

I then chose a church secondary school. So daily assemblies, but no other prayers and a termly cathedral service. I wasn't confirmed so didn't take communion. The head teacher was a scientist so RE was taught as a subject rather than peppered through every lesson etc. By 15 it had consolidated my view that I don't believe in any faith.

I'm not sure the experience enhanced my life beyond that which I would have had at the alternative schools. I just preferred the uniform of the church school! :rotfl:

So you survived. . Fwiw scientists can be religious. The most religious teacher at my school was the physics teacher. Far more 'into' praying than the nuns who taught.
I also had pretty amazing sex ed, possibly best sex ed judging by threads on here. Directly against the catholic teaching of course a very forthright, better than basics education.

If you really are opposed to this have you fully investigated your fee paying options?