A Yes vote means better jobs for young people in Scotland

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

if it were true then an independent Lowlands would have more manufacturing jobs
and a independent Highlands would have more manufacturing jobs
than a single Scotland

and of course Scotland would never ever join in a big entity like the EU as some of that independent decision making would be compromised and jobs lost.

In fact you are willing to abandon any economic logic because any thing at all is preferable to being in union with England.

Your obviously Pro-European Union and want us all to abandon individual countries and become a United States of Europe.

[Being Facetious]
We should cancel the next world cup qualifies and just have a 6 team League tournament: -
United States of Europe
United States of Asia
United States of Australasia
United States of Africa
United States of North America
Unites States of South America
[/Being Facetious]

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Your obviously Pro-European Union and want us all to abandon individual countries and become a United States of Europe.

[Being Facetious]
We should cancel the next world cup qualifies and just have a 6 team League tournament: -
United States of Europe
United States of Asia
United States of Australasia
United States of Africa
United States of North America
Unites States of South America
[/Being Facetious]

Indeed, you are reduced to being facetious because you have no arguments in favour of Scottish independence or economics benefits that would accrue except separation from the English.

sharnad

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Please explain why you think so

'YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE THE MOST TO GAIN FROM INDEPENDENCE'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og2rQTzxgk0

YOUNG PEOPLE WILL BE BETTER OFF WITH A YES

Independence can create more manufacturing jobs

Opportunities of independence can generate £5 billion boost for Scotland’s economy

Higher debts and big businesses saying they wouldn't want to invest in Scotland if it gained independence as its too risky

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

, then at least the Scottish racism will d isappear.

CLAPTON wrote: »

the only real difference here seems to be the hatred of the English

CLAPTON wrote: »

Only you choose to make that into a racist issue because you see everything in that light.


Your sole reason for wanting independence is that Scotland was once independent and you hate the English.

CLAPTON wrote: »

just admit that you feel a nationalistic and racist dislike of the English so strong that you are prepared to allow unlimited immigration even if, at the end, Scotland won't be Scottish anymore.

As I say, I wish the people of the north well whatever their decision.

Suuure you do!

Still trying to conjure this imaginary hatred and racism into existence by magical repetition? You must pine for its existence so so much.:(

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

Suuure you do!

Still trying to conjure this imaginary hatred and racism into existence by magical repetition? You must pine for its existence so so much.:(

there are no logical or economic arguments for separation from the English (on the faux argument of 'independence')

that then immediately surrender those exact freedoms to Europe, that can be explained other than the dislike of the English.

MumOf2

I'm absolutely with Clapton on this one. Constant, regular, repetitive snide comments, little digs and blatant aggressive racism - when (I absolutely promise you) I never ever say anything or act in any way that could be in any way interpreted as inflammatory. And this is in professional and personal spheres of life. It's almost as if hatred of the English is in the genes, in the very pores and every breath. And hatred is so deep down that it isn't even recognised. No matter how much it is denied, it is there.


If you haven't been on the receiving end, you do not have the right to comment on it.

zagubov

CLAPTON wrote: »

there are no logical or economic arguments for separation from the English (on the faux argument of 'independence').

Or Germans or Dutch or Scandinavians?

CLAPTON wrote: »

that then immediately surrender those exact freedoms to Europe, that can be explained other than the dislike of the English.

er...what dislike of the English (apart from the imaginary one you keep perpetually, continually and unrelentingly trying to make real through some presumably mystic power of your keyboard:.:p

Generali

FWIW, there is some research about Anglophobia that has been done, summarised by our good friends at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglophobia

In a 2003 survey of 500 English people living in Scotland, one quarter said that they had been harassed or discriminated against by the Scots.[3]

That sounds like a pretty widespread problem.

The Daily Record commissioned a survey a number of years back and found that the majority of Scottish people thought that many Scottish people were anti-English:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scots-reveal-antienglish-sentiment-1103161.html

In an interview with a Scottish newspaper, [Billy] Connolly said: "It's entirely their fault [the SNP], this new racism in Scotland, this anti-Englishness. It was a music-hall joke before - you know, like Yorkshire v Lancashire or Glasgow v Edinburgh. But there's a viciousness to it now that I really loathe and it is their fault entirely."


His views seemed to be borne out by the telephone poll of 800 people from across Scotland by Scottish Opinion. The survey, for the Scottish Daily Record newspaper, found that 66 per cent of those questioned agreed with the statement: Many people in Scotland are anti-English.

It seems that prejudice starts young in Scotland:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/race-concerns-as-schoolchildren-s-attitudes-towards-english-revealed-1-1139407

children were asked if they were as likely to vote for an English person as a Scottish person in the Scottish parliament. A quarter of children disagreed in the first survey and more than a third disagreed after Holocaust education and in secondary school.

In comparison under 10 per cent of pupils disagreed with voting for a person because of religion, sex or disability by the third survey.

The study read: "There is still a worrying hostility towards English people and it is something that needs to be watched and combated, although there is perhaps a need to understand that it is possible that the pupils have a quite sophisticated understanding of the differences between oppressed and oppressors and that Scottish pupils in particular do not perceive English people as fitting into the category of the oppressed."

Some anecdotes for those that prefer that sort of thing:

http://sabotagetimes.com/life/an-englishman-abroad/

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

FWIW, there is some research about Anglophobia that has been done, summarised by our good friends at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglophobia

That sounds like a pretty widespread problem.

I can't find any research going the other way. My experience of the English attitude to the Scots is that there is plenty of sporting banter and some unfair stereotyping, the tight-fisted Scotsman being the obvious one. I have never seen any anti-Scottish discrimination however.

For example I would never feel the need advise a Scottish friend to keep his mouth shut in public in England whereas I was advised by several people not to speak on the streets of Dundee on a Friday night in case I got a kicking.

There is a Wikipedia page on 'Scotophobia' (I'd choose Albaphobia myself). It's notable that the modern examples are a few apparently isolated incidents, mostly fueled by drink or, in the case of MacKenzie, being very stupid. I suppose there is the football chant to the tune of She'll be Coming Round the Mountain. I'm not sure football fans are a great cultural barometer however.

I lived in Dundee for five years. The university is a hugely successful part of the city and in my day the student intake was one-third English (very high by Scotttish standards where people usually go to local universities). I doubt that has changed much

None of my many English friends from there had any anti-English stories to tell. Nor was there a high drop-out rate. Why these people felt that an English accent would generate hostility baffles me; English accents are ubiquitious and in my experience welcomed (Mrs Zag's a Londoner and we visit Dundee every year).
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Generali

I edited the post after you quoted zag. I'm sure Dundee is very successful and perhaps the city was misrepresented.

That 2/3rds of Scots think that Scots don't like English people tells a tale.