A Yes vote means better jobs for young people in Scotland

IveSeenTheLight

robmatic wrote: »

The polling consistently shows that they don't.

Recent polling shows the gap in narrowing.
Of course polls only capture a small respondent each time.

A lot depends on the respondant audience

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

what other than these do you consider relevant : other, of course, that you are different from other as you are Scottish

mind you, if your mate gets his wish for unlimited immigration, then at least the Scottish racism will disappear.

On another thread, I linked 4 other examples as a start

taxation, migration, energy policy and exports.

Scotland embraces immigration in it's policy as opposed to the UK.
It' makes a mockery of your attempted racist and hatred cards

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

On another thread, I linked 4 other examples as a start

taxation, migration, energy policy and exports.

Scotland embraces immigration in it's policy as opposed to the UK.
It' makes a mockery of your attempted racist and hatred cards

the question is why these elements can't be made satifactorially by a government of 64 million people or with a larger land mass.

many other countries prospect with larger than 5 million population and larger land mass than Scotland.

the only real difference here seems to be the hatred of the English

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

the question is why these elements can't be made satifactorially by a government of 64 million people or with a larger land mass.

many other countries prospect with larger than 5 million population and larger land mass than Scotland.

You fundamentally are missing the point that Scotland is a country in it's own rights.

People talk about a 300 year Union, but historically, the country has been defined for far longer and the question is about whether the People of Scotland would prefer to be governed by itself.

It has nothing to do with population or land mass.

Incidentally, Scotland's land mass is 78k m2, England's is 130k m2, Wales is 20k m2 and Northern Ireland is 14k m2

Are you arguing that the distribution should be based on land mass? I thought not, so let's put that to bed.

Therefore on to your population theory.
Why has an Independence party been able to gain a majority government in a system where the constituencies were drawn up in order that no majority would be reached?
Why has there been a requirement to have a referendum on the Independence of Scotland?
Why is there sufficient support to warrant the question?
Why have successive governments failed to appease the people of Scotland to raise the question in the first place.

Surely it's because its all not milk and Honey in the current set up.

Possibly it's because successive governments have used the Scottish people to trial policies before rolled out to the RoUK.

It's possible for a number of reasons

CLAPTON wrote: »

the only real difference here seems to be the hatred of the English

You keep trying to get a bite with this angle and it's only you that is articulating any hatred in these forums.
I politely ask you to drop this fishing expedition as it is not and will not work

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

You fundamentally are missing the point that Scotland is a country in it's own rights.

People talk about a 300 year Union, but historically, the country has been defined for far longer and the question is about whether the People of Scotland would prefer to be governed by itself.

It has nothing to do with population or land mass.

Incidentally, Scotland's land mass is 78k m2, England's is 130k m2, Wales is 20k m2 and Northern Ireland is 14k m2

Are you arguing that the distribution should be based on land mass? I thought not, so let's put that to bed.

Therefore on to your population theory.
Why has an Independence party been able to gain a majority government in a system where the constituencies were drawn up in order that no majority would be reached?
Why has there been a requirement to have a referendum on the Independence of Scotland?
Why is there sufficient support to warrant the question?
Why have successive governments failed to appease the people of Scotland to raise the question in the first place.

Surely it's because its all not milk and Honey in the current set up.

Possibly it's because successive governments have used the Scottish people to trial policies before rolled out to the RoUK.

It's possible for a number of reasons


You keep trying to get a bite with this angle and it's only you that is articulating any hatred in these forums.
I politely ask you to drop this fishing expedition as it is not and will not work

Many policies by various governments have been trialled in different parts of the UK.

Some have been in the north and some in Ireland and some in England and some in Wales.

Only you choose to make that into a racist issue because you see everything in that light.


Your sole reason for wanting independence is that Scotland was once independent and you hate the English.

I have no objection to the people of Scotland voting for independence and if they do so, I wish them well.

However, that doesn't alter the fact the the reason for separation isn't anything to do with the economy or governance but a 1,000 years of anger and resentment.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

Adding nothing to the thread than trying to incite hatred and racism

Please feel free to add some non hatred or racist point to the thread that I can respond to.

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Please feel free to add some non hatred or racist point to the thread that I can respond to.

It's difficult as your sole reason for wanting independence is based on being a 'separate' country and a 'separate' people from the English.

So everything that happens is because you are 'Scottish ' (if good) and if bad is due to the English.

IveSeenTheLight

CLAPTON wrote: »

It's difficult as your sole reason for wanting independence is based on being a 'separate' country and a 'separate' people from the English.

So everything that happens is because you are 'Scottish ' (if good) and if bad is due to the English.

Give it a rest.
I've repeatedly said I have no hatred or animosity towards the English. This vote has nothing to do with the RoUk, but rather about Scotland being an Independent Country.

The referendum question is not "Do you hate the English enough for Scotland to be independent", despite what you may think in your own mind.

The question is "Should Scotland be an Independent Nation". It makes no reference to the RoUK.

I even posted an extract from the White Paper in which Alex Salmond said : -

I also believe that the bonds of family, friendship, history and
culture between Scotland and the other parts of the British Isles
are precious. England, Wales and Northern Ireland will always
be our family, friends and closest neighbours.

Now I politely repeat my request to please stop this unnecessary vitriol trying to inject hatred and racism where there are none present

CLAPTON

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Give it a rest.
I've repeatedly said I have no hatred or animosity towards the English. This vote has nothing to do with the RoUk, but rather about Scotland being an Independent Country.

The referendum question is not "Do you hate the English enough for Scotland to be independent", despite what you may think in your own mind.

The question is "Should Scotland be an Independent Nation". It makes no reference to the RoUK.

I even posted an extract from the White Paper in which Alex Salmond said : -



Now I politely repeat my request to please stop this unnecessary vitriol trying to inject hatred and racism where there are none present

You haven't given a single valid reason for independence except that you want 'Scottish' decisions instead of British decisions.

And the only reason you don't want British decisions is because they aren't 'Scottish'.

You agree it isn't because the UK population is too large for effective decisions making and you agree that the geography isn't too large either,
which leaves the simple reason you feel 1,000 years of anger and inferiority complex and want out.

just admit that you feel a nationalistic and racist dislike of the English so strong that you are prepared to allow unlimited immigration even if, at the end, Scotland won't be Scottish anymore.

As I say, I wish the people of the north well whatever their decision.

sharnad

A yes vote means less jobs for young people