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A Yes vote means better jobs for young people in Scotland

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  • zagubov
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    Generali wrote: »
    I edited the post after you quoted zag. I'm sure Dundee is very successful and perhaps the city was misrepresented.

    That 2/3rds of Scots think that Scots don't like English people tells a tale.

    I read the updated link as the opposite, that 2/3 didn't dislike English people, which isn't high enough for my liking. Dundee makes its living from educating people from all over Scotland, all over England and all over the world in about equal proportions. Before anyone asks why it doesn't rely on local students, St Andrews is only about 10 miles away. It can't afford to alienate people and in my experience ngoes out of its way to not do that. Oe ofn my current workmates lived there recently while studying nearby and confirms this.

    If you go back to Dundee try Schiehallion (the craft lager, not the mountain).

    If you visit Glasgow try the national dish, pakora with sauce.
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  • Generali
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    zagubov wrote: »
    I read the updated link as the opposite, that 2/3 didn't dislike English people

    There are several things quoted:

    1. A quarter of English people living in Scotland have experienced discrimination or harassment as a result of their Englishness.
    2. 66% of Scots think Scots are racist towards English people
    3. 25-33% of children expressed a specifically racist attitude towards English people.

    If that's reasonable behaviour, I'd hate to think what's unreasonable.
  • CLAPTON
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    zagubov wrote: »
    Or Germans or Dutch or Scandinavians?

    er...what dislike of the English (apart from the imaginary one you keep perpetually, continually and unrelentingly trying to make real through some presumably mystic power of your keyboard:.:p

    the issue here is why break a 300 year union rather than why existing countries should merge. (I seem to recall that Germany has recently re-united two parts rather than breaking up).

    Given the stated reason for Scotland independence is so it can determine it's own future without English input, then why give up all those freedoms to Europe as an immediate policy objective?


    The answer is obvious.

    Presumably you think the timing of the vote near the anniversary of Bannockburn is a pure accident... of course it is.
  • sss555s
    sss555s Posts: 3,175 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    There are several things quoted:

    1. A quarter of English people living in Scotland have experienced discrimination or harassment as a result of their Englishness.
    2. 66% of Scots think Scots are racist towards English people
    3. 25-33% of children expressed a specifically racist attitude towards English people.

    If that's reasonable behaviour, I'd hate to think what's unreasonable.

    I'm not sure how much actual experience you or CLAPTON have of Scotland, but I can assure you that in my experience, anyone from England would be treated in the same way as anyone else.

    The problem with polls is they can be misleading.

    You could say that an English person calling a Scottish person a Jock is racially abusive and offensive.

    Personally I accept "it is what it is" and don't worry about it.

    If I lived in England and was asked in a poll....

    1/ Do you feel your racially abused living in England? No

    2/ Have you ever been called a Jock? Yes


    The outcome would be Scots are 100% racially abused in England


    Scots are just sick of Westminster mismanagement and think they could better manage Scotland and Scottish peoples need from within.
  • CLAPTON
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    sss555s wrote: »



    Scots are just sick of Westminster mismanagement and think they could better manage Scotland and Scottish peoples need from within.

    what mismanagement is that?


    why are you immediately giving your monetary and immigration etc policies to Europe?

    answer because it isn't England.
  • Generali
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    sss555s wrote: »
    I'm not sure how much actual experience you or CLAPTON have of Scotland, but I can assure you that in my experience, anyone from England would be treated in the same way as anyone else.

    The problem with polls is they can be misleading.

    You could say that an English person calling a Scottish person a Jock is racially abusive and offensive.

    Personally I accept "it is what it is" and don't worry about it.

    If I lived in England and was asked in a poll....

    1/ Do you feel your racially abused living in England? No

    2/ Have you ever been called a Jock? Yes


    The outcome would be Scots are 100% racially abused in England


    Scots are just sick of Westminster mismanagement and think they could better manage Scotland and Scottish peoples need from within.

    2/3rds of Scots think English people are racially abused I Scotland. There really isn't any wriggle room here.
  • sss555s
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    what mismanagement is that?

    The trouble with people being happy with how everything is going is that there are equally people who are unhappy.

    Winners and losers you may say.

    Some may say that the greed of Westminster, London and the SE is to the detriment of the rest of the UK.



    Generali wrote: »
    2/3rds of Scots think English people are racially abused I Scotland. There really isn't any wriggle room here.

    Just giving a real life opinion of someone in the situation and the poll sounds like manipulating BS to me. :)

    Maybe they would get the same result asking English if they feel English are racially abused in England, if the poll used the same method.
  • Generali
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    sss555s wrote: »
    The trouble with people being happy with how everything is going is that there are equally people who are unhappy.

    Winners and losers you may say.

    Some may say that the greed of Westminster, London and the SE is to the detriment of the rest of the UK.






    Just giving a real life opinion of someone in the situation and the poll sounds like manipulating BS to me. :)

    Maybe they would get the same result asking English if they feel English are racially abused in England, if the poll used the same method.

    These are a couple of polls and some academic research.

    You may not be racist towards English people but lots of Scots are, they claim that for themselves.
  • zagubov
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    Generali wrote: »
    These are a couple of polls and some academic research.

    You may not be racist towards English people but lots of Scots are, they claim that for themselves.

    On re-reading it looks like before there was a Scottish parliament, 2/3 of Scots agreed there mere "many" anti-English racists.

    That doesn't tell how many, as any is too many but could indicate those there are are mouthy gits who do their talking when its their turn to be listening. Now there is a parliament, look at its composition by place of birth, and see if that suppoerts the idea the voters dislike the English.
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  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    zagubov wrote: »
    On re-reading it looks like before there was a Scottish parliament, 2/3 of Scots agreed there mere "many" anti-English racists.

    That doesn't tell how many, as any is too many but could indicate those there are are mouthy gits who do their talking when its their turn to be listening. Now there is a parliament, look at its composition by place of birth, and see if that suppoerts the idea the voters dislike the English.

    That's desperate, absolutely desperate.

    Scottish people say that Scots are racist towards the English. We both wish they weren't but they are. You can spin this all you like but you'll be wrong as a result.
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