The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

wymondham wrote: »

I'm also now anti-career politician having looked closely at how privileged these people are who claim to act in my best interests...

So you'd vote against a politician if they were a privileged, public school educated, former banker, who claimed millions in expenses, rarely bothered voting, and employed their family members as staff for example?

Or do you make exceptions for the ones that do that if they're in UKIP?

Like Nigel Farrage?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

wymondham wrote: »

The borders issue is a big issue to me even though it does not directly affect me, but I am patriotic and this rings alarm bells. It alarms me particularly because it wont be reversible once the damage is done..... None of the main parties see why this rings alarm bells in me.

Why does this ring alarm bells?

What damage will be done that is "irreversible"?

Why is this an issue of "patriotism"?

Bantex_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So you'd vote against a politician if they were a privileged, public school educated, former banker, who claimed millions in expenses, rarely bothered voting, and employed their family members as staff for example?

Or do you make exceptions for the ones that do that if they're in UKIP?

Possibly just repatriating a small bit of the cash that the UK hand over to what is an inefficient and borderline corrupt insitution.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Bantex wrote: »

just repatriating a small bit of the cash .

At least partially into the pockets of his family...

How very thoughtful of him.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

At least partially into the pockets of his family...

How very thoughtful of him.

British money in British pockets

TickersPlaysPop

Will UKIP really be a big problem? Surely it will just force (allow) the other parties to take on policies that they wouldn't normally be able to if UKIP were not around?

Surely this is a good thing to shake up the UK system, and also the EU to help steer things in a direction that the UK are more comfortable with?

I can't see UKIP ever winning a general election, not unless they morph into something more centre right.

michaels

I still think the most likely consequence of UKIP is the tories shifting right and losing some of the centre and still having their vote split in key marginals thus ensuring a labour govt and hence no referendum.

If I were in favour of European integration I would certainly see UKIP as being part of the solution not part of the problem.

On a recent local planning matter looking at building just one more family house locally compliance with the European Court of Human Rights 'right to a family life' was brought up by the nimby objectors. Coud this be why people think Europe has too much influence over decisons that should be for the British electorate to decide?

Bantex_2

I admit this is an old fashioned view, but I believe any governments first duty is to it's own citizens. EU membership can seen at odds with this at times.

Gangaweed

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But what do you want them to come across as Viva?

They do know better, and they are right, and the evidence overwhelmingly supports this.

How exactly are intelligent and rational people supposed to act when presented with barely disguised racism, bigotry and xenophobia and illogical, emotive and factually incorrect views?

Pandering and weather-vaning by mainstream politicians to the ignorant and ill-educated is exactly what has allowed UKIP and their ilk across Europe to get the votes they did.

They should be ruthlessly exposed for the bigots, xenophobes and racists so many of them are, not celebrated for being 'eccentric' and 'different'.

Seriously? You're saying that the likes of Barroso, Juncker, Van Rompuy know better?

Look at the mess across Southern Europe to see the damage inflicted by these socialist lunatics.

lostinrates

Bantex wrote: »

I admit this is an old fashioned view, but I believe any governments first duty is to it's own citizens. EU membership can seen at odds with this at times.

A duty to its own people isn't necessarily at odds with EU. Sometimes children don't want to go to school and parents have to make them because its for their own good. Sometimes people don't want to pay taxes and we enforce it, for 'our ' own good etc etc etc.

( I'm not arguing in either direction ATM just saying that the two are not always in opposition, but sometimes people make really poorly informed decisions).