The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times

lostinrates

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

What is best for the UK is staying in the EU, allowing UK citizens the full rights and privileges to live, work and travel throughout Europe as they please.

Allowing unrestricted trade and free markets in goods, services and people, and enabling the UK to have what is currently the strongest economic growth of any major economy.



When we are already short of immigrants, short of young breeding age people, and have an immigration system that works well with little cost to administer, why replace it with a cumbersome, bureaucratic, politically charged and expensive to run system that will be prone to endless meddling and tinkering by politicians?

Something like 99% of current immigrants are good for the country.

Replacing the current system with one that requires badly needed people to jump through hoops to get here is pointless, and amounts to throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

If anything we need more EU immigrants, and to make it easier for young people to move here, not harder.



See above.

See, actually. I agree with a precious poster that the 'refusal to listen' argument furthers the ' anti eu feeling'.

And I don't know in an open eu going the way Europe want it with MORE integration we would need more immigration, not to benefit us and Europe as a while. Easy movement, perhaps even being in different areas for different times of life being increasingly common....

setmefree2

globalds wrote: »

The thing is the immigration issue really is secondary.

So what's the first issue?

GeorgeHowell

setmefree2 wrote: »

Well as a Londoner I have to tell you that politicians aren't the only ones having trouble understanding why people are voting UKIP - maybe we are living in a bubble here in the metropolis but I can honestly say we Londoners have no idea what the !!!! is wrong with the rest of you and what exactly it is you are moaning about? What it is you even want, do you even know?

You are living in a bubble -- trust me, you are.

setmefree2

Bantex wrote: »

How about not wanting cheap labour forcing down wages in the construction industry and an influx of people forcing up housing costs?

So is that what this is about? Poor pay? Are people finding it difficult to make ends meet?

setmefree2

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

You are living in a bubble -- trust me, you are.

Ok - what is going on outside of London ?

Better_Call_Saul

setmefree2 wrote: »

So what's the first issue?

One of the main issues is that decades of governments have benefited from immigrants and not done enough to improve the infrastructure of the country. The growing poverty gap is also a serious consideration.

Bantex_2

setmefree2 wrote: »

So is that what this is about? Poor pay? Are people finding it difficult to make ends meet?

It is one issue that affects quite a lot of people. I suspect that the chattering classes do not really care as they are not their types, but rather people that just do work for them and the chaeper the better. Why should a brickie or plumber aspire to oen their own house?

setmefree2

Bantex wrote: »

It is not about kicking out ladders, it is about doing what is best for the UK. Many immigrants are good for the country, some are not and we should be in a position to chose which enter.

Why is that such a difficult concept?

Well to be honest immigrants tend to come to London not say Wyndham Norfolk - so why do you guys get to chose who enters Britain?

Bantex_2

setmefree2 wrote: »

Well to be honest immigrants tend to come to London not say Wyndham Norfolk - so why do you guys get to chose who enters Britain?

None of us get to chose, that is the point.

setmefree2

lostinrates wrote: »

See, actually. I agree with a precious poster that the 'refusal to listen' argument furthers the ' anti eu feeling'.

I'm listening and I can't understand what people want or what is wrong? I'm sure politicians are having the same problems!