The rise of Extremism in Economically tough times

Bantex_2

TheFactory wrote: »

First thread ever where I dissagree with hamish and agree with Graham

I think Hamish is Gordon Brown. Anyone that disagrees with him is now a bigot.

Sampong

chewmylegoff wrote: »

If UKIP are the most extreme party the British people are prepared to vote for then things aren't too bad. The BNP polled nearly 1 million votes in the last European elections. This time their vote fell to about 20% of what it was in 2009. That ain't a sign of "extremism" taking hold in my view. UKIP won't get anything like the support they have enjoyed in this election in the next general election either.

Around half of UKIP voters say they will vote for UKIP in the GE, and if that figure is anything to go by it will certainly make it more difficult for them to win seats.

But judging from the comments from politicians this morning, they are showing that they still don't understand why people voted for UKIP - blaming it on a protest vote type of scenario. If they don't wake up they could be in for a hefty shock.

An you can't rule out the possibility of a pact between UKIP and the Tory's either.

GeorgeHowell

Sampong wrote: »

Around half of UKIP voters say they will vote for UKIP in the GE, and if that figure is anything to go by it will certainly make it more difficult for them to win seats.

But judging from the comments from politicians this morning, they are showing that they still don't understand why people voted for UKIP - blaming it on a protest vote type of scenario. If they don't wake up they could be in for a hefty shock.

An you can't rule out the possibility of a pact between UKIP and the Tory's either.

That's what they're saying now, but come the election I would expect UKIP's vote to go down to about 9% -- still significant though. They will be predominantly people who wouldn't vote at all if there were no UKIP. Politicians don't know which way to turn. The cornerstone of their existence -- EU membership -- is at the heart of the problem, either directly, or indirectly via the immigration issue. Few of them can see a way out of it -- the vested interests to which they have tied themselves are overwhelmingly pro EU membership, and the task of extricating ourselves from it is too difficult and burdensome to contemplate. So they will soldier on in denial just hoping that the UKIP effect will magically go away, or at least affect the other lot just as badly.

Sampong

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I think the racist thing against UKIP simply has to be put to bed now.

I don't think it will.

There are some extremely sore losers around at the moment. They are sore losers because they have bigoted views. If you don't agree with their views, they throw their dummies out of the pram.

They will continue to say some very nasty things.

And in doing so, they will continue to alienate voters and drive support for UKIP.

wymondham

Speaking as a person who has previously voted Tory, Labour and Liberal over the years here's why I voted UKIP:


The main parties have merged ideas and now form one big 'establishment' with few ideas to distinguish them.




The borders issue is a big issue to me even though it does not directly affect me, but I am patriotic and this rings alarm bells. It alarms me particularly because it wont be reversible once the damage is done..... None of the main parties see why this rings alarm bells in me.


Europe is getting bigger and more costly and cumbersome.... this rings alarm bells ... none of the main parties see why this rings alarm bells in me.


The three main parties tell me what to think ... this makes me frustrated and looking for alternatives...


I don't think I'm any different from any other voter, so maybe this is an insight to the main parties about what happened last night?

TickersPlaysPop

We need "none of the above" on the ballot paper.

Then there would be no discussion or doubt if the UKIP vote was a protest.

Generali

wymondham wrote: »

Speaking as a person who has previously voted Tory, Labour and Liberal over the years here's why I voted UKIP:


The main parties have merged ideas and now form one big 'establishment' with few ideas to distinguish them.


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The borders issue is a big issue to me even though it does not directly affect me, but I am patriotic and this rings alarm bells. It alarms me particularly because it wont be reversible once the damage is done..... None of the main parties see why this rings alarm bells in me.


Europe is getting bigger and more costly and cumbersome.... this rings alarm bells ... none of the main parties see why this rings alarm bells in me.


The three main parties tell me what to think ... this makes me frustrated and looking for alternatives...


I don't think I'm any different from any other voter, so maybe this is an insight to the main parties about what happened last night?

So is the big driver that you want an alternative to vote for or that you distrust the EU? Is immigration even a concern (you don't mention it)?

danothy

nashly wrote: »

I think it was only about stopping and reversing the fascist EU and UKIP were the only party in the UK willing to listen to the majority our population

27.5% of the vote isn't quite a majority, and 27.5% of a 34.2% turnout, at 9.4% of registered voters, isn't quite a majority of the population. But, like, close enough.

wymondham

Generali wrote: »

So is the big driver that you want an alternative to vote for or that you distrust the EU? Is immigration even a concern (you don't mention it)?

I think the main parties are like one big super tanker that cannot be stopped and will go in the same direction whatever occurs and whoever gets in and steers, and I'm now thinking this is not the right direction, for the right reasons. The main parties have become self-serving, with me being merely an observer, expected to tow the line being fed to me.


So, yes I want an alternative to vote for that looks different and acts different to the others.


Immigration is of concern to me, although not the main concern. I am patriotic and am getting tired of being called a racist for putting the UK first... this frustrates the hell out of me.


I'm also now anti-career politician having looked closely at how privileged these people are who claim to act in my best interests...


At least these are now exciting times politically!

GeorgeHowell

wotsthat wrote: »

Possibly but do you see any sensible political debate on the subject?

The move to the right resulting from the GFC makes the debate less likely to happen.

No not really, partly because immigration is so inextricably tied to EU membership that the 90% of our politicians who are overt or closet Europhiles don't want to go there.

The move to the right after the GFC, if there is one, is in my view because the real word in centre-right. The luxury of the unreality of left wing thinking can be enjoyed when a majority thinks it's affordable. But when public finances, standards of living, jobs, homes, etc are seen to be at risk then more people are likely to revert to the natural human state of looking after themselves and their own first and foremost, within the context and limitations of the sharing and caring required for us to function as a society.