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  • Umkomaas
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    ginaalpe said:
    Hi.
    Just received 2 parking charge notices from Britannia stating I failed to make a valid payment. 

    Please could someone help.
    Have you struggled to read exactly what it says in the post immediately above your own?   
    ginaalpe said:
    Please could someone help.
    Not on this thread. Please read the NEWBIES FAQ sticky as a starting point. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Civil Enforcement Ltd. Athenaeum Road London N20
    Received a penalty charge from this company, even though the car park stay was paid for, but the payment was not taken by the company and then a penalty charge was issued.
    The appeal was unsuccessful as have no evidence of payment.
    This same procedure has happened to at least three others I know. They have paid the fines as too scared to take it further after appeal, which is the stage I am at.
    Seems too much of a coincidence for so many, to have received penalty charges for non payment.
  • Umkomaas
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    Katmak61 said:
    Civil Enforcement Ltd. Athenaeum Road London N20
    Received a penalty charge from this company, even though the car park stay was paid for, but the payment was not taken by the company and then a penalty charge was issued.
    The appeal was unsuccessful as have no evidence of payment.
    This same procedure has happened to at least three others I know. They have paid the fines as too scared to take it further after appeal, which is the stage I am at.
    Seems too much of a coincidence for so many, to have received penalty charges for non payment.
    You'll get no help on this thread. Read back to the prior page to know why. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Coupon-mad
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    DO NOT POST ON THIS OLD OUT OF DATE THREAD!

    this means you !

    DO NOT POST ON THIS OLD OUT OF DATE THREAD!



    AND - CALLING ALL NEWBIES!

    Please now make a real difference because not enough people have yet, and time is running out.


    An urgent task – deadline approaching in about ten days:

    The Government is consulting for just a few more days, about a new statutory code of practice (CoP) and framework to rein in the rogue parking firms.  Read and comment on the draft CoP proposal and the enforcement framework consultation, and get everyone you know to do the same.

    You will need to register then log in, to comment on the CoP and enter an occupation even if you are retired or a homemaker.  Submit comments as soon as you are happy with them.

    https://standardsdevelopment.bsigroup.com/projects/2020-00193#/section

    You do not need to register to comment on the enforcement framework which can be found here. It has a link on page 5 to make comments.
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/913272/Code_Enforcement_Framework_consultation.pdf

    HOW TO DO THE SUBMISSIONS:

    1. Read the cover letter

    2. Read the cover letter again and note the suggested extra questions...and if you agree that, say, the 'loading/unloading and dropping off, asking for directions, and disabled people parking on double yellows as they can on street' activities listed should be exempt (not parking events, what do you think?) then please go to the Annexes at the end of the PAS Code and find the one about Exempt Vehicles and state what other activity you think should be added to the exempt list.  

     

    If you do nothing else, please comment on:

    - the amount of the parking charge levels

    - the annexes at the end of the PAS (reading through the whole thing takes hours so if you have nothing to say about the definitions, for example, then skip to more vital points and the annex tables at the end.

    - the bit about debt collectors and whether you think PPCs should be allowed to add 'costs' a second time, for the letters that are already within the rationale of the 'parking charge' sum...hmmm...


    Responses into the PAS 232 and MHCLG framework documents are not completely straightforward:

    On the MHCLG response, you have to answer the questions on a 1-5 scale from strongly agree to strongly disagree, and then put some commentary. No way to upload documents or alternatives but this doesn't take long.

     

     On the PAS 232, you have to click on each clause and sub-clause to put your comments, and a suggested rewording of their draft.  You can see comments which other people have written!   But, when you click ‘submit’, a message pops up to say your comments have been received, but that only applies to the particular clause you have just addressed.  

    You have to go back up and find the next section, then the next...

    You have to click ‘submit’ separately for each individual clause response.  Some people will be caught out by this but can revisit it and add further responses up to 12 October.

     

    Things to think about:

    A Speeding fine is £100.  A Local Authority lower rate parking penalty is £50.  Which do you think a private PCN should be like or do you think it should be something different?  

    Do you think if all payment methods are not functioning that PPC can 'fine' you?

     

    Do you think the examples mentioned in the cover letter are right and need adding to the Annex?

     

    etc.

     



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  • What advice can people give me on this parking ticket i received it today 94 days after i parked in he car park.

    In July we visited Cornwall for 5 days with family, We arrived in Cornwall on the 8th July and just before lunch time we parked in a carpark and paid £12 for 24hrs, I paid with my credit card so I have a receipt on my bank statement
    We left the carpark the following morning within the 24hr paid period I had paid for so there was no overstay or extra parking time used
    Today the 10th October dated 8-1-2020 from ARMTRACK SECURITY SERVICES who I believe are a member of the IPC (International Parking Community)  saying I am being charged £100 as I ignored their parking ticket when it was put on my car and also that I'm out of the appeal process time as I never appealed within 21days from its issue date, they state Reason for issue: Ticket Incorrectly Displayed Face Down

    My objections and the mitigating circumstances for my appeal would be based on the following  
    1. I had paid for 24 hrs as proved on my credit card statement
    2. There was not a parking ticket on my car when I returned to it
    3. I have not been sent a photograph showing the face down ticket in my car
    4. Had there been a ticket on my car and knowing I had paid with my credit card I would have appealed straight away and not just ignored it
    what does anyone think i should do Peter? 😎

  • KeithP
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    edited 10 October 2020 at 8:56PM
    What advice can people give me on this parking ticket ...
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    what does anyone think i should do Peter? 😎

    The best thing you can do Peter is read the post immediately before yours on this thread.  ;)
  • Umkomaas
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    No wonder people miss signs in a car park. Sitting ducks for a PPC. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • Ralph-y
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    DO NOT POST ON THIS OLD OUT OF DATE THREAD!

    this means you !

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  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 11 October 2020 at 5:06PM
    What advice can people give me on this parking ticket i received it today 94 days after i parked in he car park.

    In July we visited Cornwall for 5 days with family, We arrived in Cornwall on the 8th July and just before lunch time we parked in a carpark and paid £12 for 24hrs, I paid with my credit card so I have a receipt on my bank statement
    We left the carpark the following morning within the 24hr paid period I had paid for so there was no overstay or extra parking time used
    Today the 10th October dated 8-1-2020 from ARMTRACK SECURITY SERVICES who I believe are a member of the IPC (International Parking Community)  saying I am being charged £100 as I ignored their parking ticket when it was put on my car and also that I'm out of the appeal process time as I never appealed within 21days from its issue date, they state Reason for issue: Ticket Incorrectly Displayed Face Down

    My objections and the mitigating circumstances for my appeal would be based on the following  
    1. I had paid for 24 hrs as proved on my credit card statement
    2. There was not a parking ticket on my car when I returned to it
    3. I have not been sent a photograph showing the face down ticket in my car
    4. Had there been a ticket on my car and knowing I had paid with my credit card I would have appealed straight away and not just ignored it
    what does anyone think i should do 😎

    Read the NEWBIES THREAD top of this forum and then if you still have questions:

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    HITTING 'NEW POST' IS NOT STARTING A THREAD.

    Please don't ask for a link to the NEWBIES thread.
    My signature (the words under all my posts) tells everyone where the link is to hop to page one.


    NO REPLY HERE PLEASE, LET THIS POINTLESS OLD THREAD DIE.

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    this means you !

    DO NOT POST ON THIS OLD OUT OF DATE THREAD!

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  • Hi,Im a newbie with a problem.I live in Northern Ireland.I was employed for a short time by a company whose property was in a retail park marshalled by Smart Parking.They had an arrangement with Smart Parking that employees could park there.I, no longer work for the company and started receiving Parking Charges from Smart Parking because they had not notified Smart Parking.I advised Smart Parking that I was working there and gave them permission to contact my ex employer to prove I was working there.I also contacted the employer to ask them to contact Smart Parking to verify that I was indeed working for them at the time of Parking Charges.I also used template on this site to notify Smart Parking that I would not be contacting or responding to them.Now I am receiving Debt Recovery Letters fro Smart Parking's Debt Revovery Agency.As I live in Northern Ireland any advise would be greatly appreciated.

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