Voting in NI

jenheiffer

duggan1 wrote: »

I don't have my heart set on voting Unionist specifically. In fact I think it is an outdated concept following GFA. I want effective government. I'd prefer it to be devolved in Belfast and I think the only way Stormont can deliver anything is through a change in the political system.

What a pity then that the Assembly which arose from the GFA is constituted in such a way that the 'orange' and 'green' divide is integral to its functionality.

jenheiffer

RikM wrote: »

Where is (the equivalent of) La cicciolina, when you need her...?

La who?:question:

lazer

duggan1 wrote: »

TUV, and Allister in particular, represent to me all that is wrong with Northern Ireland generally, and Unionism specifically. Political views, driven by religious belief, that are (in my opinion) outdated and in cases unacceptable.






You're right of course, but they are normally put across as the 'alternative' vote. I don't have my heart set on voting Unionist specifically. In fact I think it is an outdated concept following GFA. I want effective government. I'd prefer it to be devolved in Belfast and I think the only way Stormont can deliver anything is through a change in the political system.

I agree about it being an out-dated way of voting, we should be voting the party in that most represent our views on how Northern Ireland is run - regardless of the unionist/nationlist vote, all the main parties support the status quo - ie: staying in the union until the majority of the people of Northern Ireland want out.
Even if 90% of people voted SDLP or Sinn Fein we still wouldn't have united Ireland without a referendum, the referendum will be the only vote where unionist/nationalist matters.

lazer

jenheiffer wrote: »

Personally I really hope they get a bloody nose. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!:(

They are supporting what the people voted for in the GFA, they have my vote anyway.
They have lost unionist votes over this (I can understand the mentality of people deciding not to vote for them as 1 member has said they would support a united Ireland - but I think it's a stupid reason to not vote them - as in the previous post - a UI is not going to happen unless the majority want it, and for every memeber of the Alliance supporting it, there would be 2 or 3 not supporting it)

They may have gained nationlist votes by saying this.

warmhands.coldheart

lazer wrote: »

They are supporting what the people voted for in the GFA, they have my vote anyway.
They have lost unionist votes over this (I can understand the mentality of people deciding not to vote for them as 1 member has said they would support a united Ireland - but I think it's a stupid reason to not vote them - as in the previous post - a UI is not going to happen unless the majority want it, and for every memeber of the Alliance supporting it, there would be 2 or 3 not supporting it)

They may have gained nationlist votes by saying this.

I'll be honest here and say that personally I recon if there was a referendum tomorrow there wouldn't' be a hope in hell of there being a United Ireland. I firmly believe there are a lot of people here who vote for Sinn Fein do not believe there should be a United Ireland but rather vote for them to keep someone else out or because they actually have a good councillor in the area.

Also I believe if there was a referendum then it wouldn't just be a case of "Us" voting to unite with the Rep. of Ireland, but the good folks in the south would have to have a vote on whether they actually want us, and having a lot of friends born and bred in the republic of both "persuasions" I know for a fact there are not too many down there want anything to do with us "uniting" with them as they basically don't want the hassle, or more importantly to them the cost of running this place...

RikM

jenheiffer wrote: »

La who?:question:

Italian !!!!!! star and politician, from a few years back.
Probably best not to Google her...

A.L.D.A

jenheiffer wrote: »

What a pity then that the Assembly which arose from the GFA is constituted in such a way that the 'orange' and 'green' divide is integral to its functionality.

Agree, instutionalised stagnation.

In all probability will have virtually the same faces in government post the next election.

I really do wish people who have the courage to just vote 1 for who they really want, 2 for their second genuine preference and so on. At the end vote for people to keep others out. Even if your preferred candidate seems to have little chance vote them 1 The vote is transferred in full to your second candidate and so on. Use the system cleverly. If instead you vote 1 for a hog to keep out a pig you know what you end up with!

On United Ireland several factors that may make a difference, if Scotland votes to leave this will have a major impact. Also inertia is always a strong factor. If you were employed in the civil service how keen would you be to embrace a new administration? There are other groups who may have to give the matter considerable consideration. A lot of business owners would have to weigh up the difference tax structures. It is more than a straight forward Orange and Green matter.

ripplyuk

I'm a bit confused. If there's a certain party I would like to see in Europe, should I just vote for them on the Europe ballot paper or should I vote for them on the council elections too?

There's a councillor I would like to see get voted in for my local area council but they're not the party I want to vote into Europe.

yorkshire_lass_3

Ripplyuk,

Your vote is private (unless you choose to tell someone how you voted) therefore vote for whichever candidate(s) and parties you want, in the order you want.



Both voting papers are 'PR' so 1, 2, 3 and so on - as many or as few as you want.

ripplyuk

What I mean is, Would voting for the same party on both the council and the European ballot papers increase the chances of the party I want getting into Europe?