Letter from School quoting Abusive Language

mrcow

larkrisetocandleford wrote: »

Well then it depends. What would the average parent deem inappropriate? If they were worse than that, then yes, it needs spelling out.

In the meantime whilst you're deliberating on that, the children involved have been identified by all, due to their suspension.

So now all the parents know who has said what.

Do you really think that, as a teacher, this is how you should handle such matters. Spelling out who said what for all and sundry to see and remember for the rest of that child's school career?

cte1111

sulphate wrote: »

Yes, but someone's children are doing this and the parents may well have no idea, either.

To be honest, you seem to be taking this as a bit of an insult, as if the school is insinuating it is your child and her friends talking this way.

I've not taken it that way at all. I can see that the head wanted to make sure that parents were aware what was going on and work with them to prevent similar incidents happening again in the future.

Other people on this thread have said that my children will definitely have heard the same language in the playground. I disagree, although have no evidence of that. I think it is likely that the children involved have picked up some terms from older relatives. Perhaps they were showing off and trying to outdo each other in what they thought of as their private world of Skype. They've not learnt that it is far from private, a useful lesson.

I presumed that the parents of the children involved had given their consent for the skype conversation to be sent out, as otherwise it would be a privacy issue. Possibly not though, as the head has previously listed number plates of cars that nearby residents have reported to her as parking inconsiderately. I did point out to her on that occasion that she may be opening herself up to legal issues, given that this was hearsay rather than necessarily fact. She didn't bother to reply to my email on this subject and has carried on with this process on other occasions.

CH27

cte1111 wrote: »

I've not taken it that way at all. I can see that the head wanted to make sure that parents were aware what was going on and work with them to prevent similar incidents happening again in the future.

Other people on this thread have said that my children will definitely have heard the same language in the playground. I disagree, although have no evidence of that. I think it is likely that the children involved have picked up some terms from older relatives. Perhaps they were showing off and trying to outdo each other in what they thought of as their private world of Skype. They've not learnt that it is far from private, a useful lesson.

I presumed that the parents of the children involved had given their consent for the skype conversation to be sent out, as otherwise it would be a privacy issue. Possibly not though, as the head has previously listed number plates of cars that nearby residents have reported to her as parking inconsiderately. I did point out to her on that occasion that she may be opening herself up to legal issues, given that this was hearsay rather than necessarily fact. She didn't bother to reply to my email on this subject and has carried on with this process on other occasions.

Your naivety is scarey.

cte1111

CH27 wrote: »

Your naivety is scarey.

You think I'm naive because I don't think that it is definite that my 11 year old has heard talk about incest, rape and bestiality in the primary school playground? Interesting.

moomoomama27

cte1111 wrote: »

You think I'm naive because I don't think that it is definite that my 11 year old has heard talk about incest, rape and bestiality in the primary school playground? Interesting.

Sorry but I do too! You would be surprised, the sweetest children say the most awful things, and can be very sneaky!! The things I've overheard 10-11 year old girls saying this week, would make your toes curl!

I would, as a parent appreciate the head teacher informing parents of this matter! If a bit of bad language and sexual terms and the rest offend you, then that's down to you, however she has a duty of care to make sure that parents are aware about the content of their children's social networking, and how others are behaving, these are the children that will influence your child!!

Mojisola

cte1111 wrote: »

You think I'm naive because I don't think that it is definite that my 11 year old has heard talk about incest, rape and bestiality in the primary school playground? Interesting.

It's highly likely that this kind of talk goes on in the playground. It's important that our children know they can come and talk to parents and ask them about what they are hearing.

Children of this age will sometimes try to protect their parents when they know their parents disapprove and be left without anyone to discuss things that upset or worry them.

cte1111

I'm not saying that I think this kind of conversation never happens. What I'm saying is that not all 10 and 11 years will be talking about this kind of topic in explicit language in the playground, at sleepovers or on their way home from school. Any more than they are all talking about One Direction, lego or football. Children are different and have different conversations. IMHO most would not have explicit sexual conversations at primary school.

Georgiegirl256

cte1111 wrote: »

You think I'm naive because I don't think that it is definite that my 11 year old has heard talk about incest, rape and bestiality in the primary school playground? Interesting.

It isn't definite, but it is highly likely to be the case, and to think otherwise is being very naive.

Tbh honest, I can't see anything wrong with mentioning the car number plates either. If the parents are parking inconsiderably causing disruption to nearby residents, then IMO the school has done right in that instance too.

larkrisetocandleford

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mrcow wrote: »

In the meantime whilst you're deliberating on that, the children involved have been identified by all, due to their suspension.

So now all the parents know who has said what.

Do you really think that, as a teacher, this is how you should handle such matters. Spelling out who said what for all and sundry to see and remember for the rest of that child's school career?

Where has the OP stated that the school has disciplined those involved by suspension? If she has then that is another issue but I haven't read that.

Regardless, this is a serious incident, if it had been carrying a knife/gun/assault whatever then those involved would be known to to the parent body should the detail of what is involved be fudged?

I doubt that the names of who said what were left intact in the transcript, just that x said.... and y said.....

Mojisola

cte1111 wrote: »

I'm not saying that I think this kind of conversation never happens. What I'm saying is that not all 10 and 11 years will be talking about this kind of topic in explicit language in the playground, at sleepovers or on their way home from school. Any more than they are all talking about One Direction, lego or football. Children are different and have different conversations. IMHO most would not have explicit sexual conversations at primary school.

I agree - but they have probably heard other children using this language and may have had language like this directed at them.