Childcare worker's behaviour outside work?

fivetide

Should have turned round, walked away and reported her to the softplay management.

Pretty poor of them to allow someone to spend an extended period swearing loudly near kids.

The fall out from that would have been enough to get back to the playgroup.

IrishRose12

Ermm no offence but the nursery can't do anything about it if it happened OUTSIDE the workplace and she was with her own child. And if they did so something about it, then I hope the girl in question tells them where to go!

Yes she was out of order, but who isn't at some time??

Not to be rude but those of us who work in education/childcare sector don't have to be as good as gold every minute of the day. We are allowed to let of steam and we are allowed to live our own lives outside of the job.
As for the girl who was visiting nurseries and saw something she didn't like and cancelled just because she saw a worker, We are also allowed to smoke, drink, we are allowed to curse, and we are allowed to say whatever we want to our own children.

We do have our own lives outside of the workplace, and our actions shouldn't reflect on our workplace. If it was inside school then yes, but in our own, free personal time we can dance up and down the street naked if we wanted to!
Just because this is how this girl behaved to your friend, does not mean that she is like this when she is in work. What most parents need to realise that 98% of the time we have a mask on and are being nice because we HAVE to, not because we want to. Once we cross the doors of that workplace, we can behave and treat our children as we see fit.
I wouldn't speak to the leader of the nursery at all regarding this as it has nothing whatsoever to do with them, had it happened in the setting itself then yes, by all means go and complain, but not when the girl was on her own personal time. We have to be able to live our lives at some stage you know without being told what we can and cannot do!

fivetide

IrishRose12 wrote: »

We are allowed to let of steam and we are allowed to live our own lives outside of the job.

Superb.

I take it you are also allowed to scream abuse in someone's face in front of kids?

Totally understandable and accepted behaviour eh?

poet123

IrishRose12 wrote: »

Ermm no offence but the nursery can't do anything about it if it happened OUTSIDE the workplace and she was with her own child. And if they did so something about it, then I hope the girl in question tells them where to go!

Yes she was out of order, but who isn't at some time??

Not to be rude but those of us who work in education/childcare sector don't have to be as good as gold every minute of the day. We are allowed to let of steam and we are allowed to live our own lives outside of the job.
As for the girl who was visiting nurseries and saw something she didn't like and cancelled just because she saw a worker, We are also allowed to smoke, drink, we are allowed to curse, and we are allowed to say whatever we want to our own children.

We do have our own lives outside of the workplace, and our actions shouldn't reflect on our workplace. If it was inside school then yes, but in our own, free personal time we can dance up and down the street naked if we wanted to!
Just because this is how this girl behaved to your friend, does not mean that she is like this when she is in work. What most parents need to realise that 98% of the time we have a mask on and are being nice because we HAVE to, not because we want to. Once we cross the doors of that workplace, we can behave and treat our children as we see fit.
I wouldn't speak to the leader of the nursery at all regarding this as it has nothing whatsoever to do with them, had it happened in the setting itself then yes, by all means go and complain, but not when the girl was on her own personal time. We have to be able to live our lives at some stage you know without being told what we can and cannot do!

I disagree completely. I think that if you work with children and expect parents to trust their child with you then your behaviour with your own children should be beyond reproach in public. It does reflect on your skills if you cannot control a child without resorting to abuse and foul language. It also reflects on your employers because it calls into question their judgement in employing someone who behaves that way.

mrcow

IrishRose12 wrote: »

Not to be rude but those of us who work in education/childcare sector don't have to be as good as gold every minute of the day. We are allowed to let of steam and we are allowed to live our own lives outside of the job.
We do have our own lives outside of the workplace, and our actions shouldn't reflect on our workplace. If it was inside school then yes, but in our own, free personal time we can dance up and down the street naked if we wanted to!

You are 100% wrong.

When I did my teacher training, the first thing that was drummed into all of us was that our professionalism follows us out of the workplace and into the community.

Anyone working with children should be aware of this.

If you can't control yourself, you are in the wrong job.

We should think about our behaviour and how it reflects upon our profession.

GobbledyGook

IrishRose12 wrote: »

Not to be rude but those of us who work in education/childcare sector don't have to be as good as gold every minute of the day. We are allowed to let of steam and we are allowed to live our own lives outside of the job.
As for the girl who was visiting nurseries and saw something she didn't like and cancelled just because she saw a worker, We are also allowed to smoke, drink, we are allowed to curse, and we are allowed to say whatever we want to our own children.

I don't think it's acceptable for any person to swear in the face of a child or call them a *&^*^ psycho in public. If that person is someone entrusted with the care of children every day then it is even worse imo because childcare workers and teachers know about the impacts actions like that have on young children.

So whilst nursery staff and teachers are allowed to get drunk, smoke, dance etc they should be well aware that being seen publicly to treat children like that will negatively impact on people's perceptions of their ability to cope with, and treat well, the children they care for.

There is a childminder in my town who smokes over her child, swears at him regularly and has been seen (more than once) losing her temper and screaming in his face. She might be entitled as a parent who discipline her child however she wants, but there is a reason she always has spaces - her behaviour means very, very few people who've witnessed it would trust her to mind their child.

GobbledyGook

I also think it's only fair the nursery manager is aware of the incident because anyone else who witnessed that outburst (and any others) could easily be put off the playgroup/nursery.

Vikipollard

IrishRose12 wrote: »

Ermm no offence but the nursery can't do anything about it if it happened OUTSIDE the workplace and she was with her own child. And if they did so something about it, then I hope the girl in question tells them where to go!

Yes she was out of order, but who isn't at some time??

Not to be rude but those of us who work in education/childcare sector don't have to be as good as gold every minute of the day. We are allowed to let of steam and we are allowed to live our own lives outside of the job.
As for the girl who was visiting nurseries and saw something she didn't like and cancelled just because she saw a worker, We are also allowed to smoke, drink, we are allowed to curse, and we are allowed to say whatever we want to our own children.

We do have our own lives outside of the workplace, and our actions shouldn't reflect on our workplace. If it was inside school then yes, but in our own, free personal time we can dance up and down the street naked if we wanted to!
Just because this is how this girl behaved to your friend, does not mean that she is like this when she is in work. What most parents need to realise that 98% of the time we have a mask on and are being nice because we HAVE to, not because we want to. Once we cross the doors of that workplace, we can behave and treat our children as we see fit.
I wouldn't speak to the leader of the nursery at all regarding this as it has nothing whatsoever to do with them, had it happened in the setting itself then yes, by all means go and complain, but not when the girl was on her own personal time. We have to be able to live our lives at some stage you know without being told what we can and cannot do!

So screaming abuse is acceptable at/in front of a child? That would probably explain why kids go through school effing and blinding at staff and members of the public alike, because that's the 'good' example being set at home.


No one doubts you have the right to a life outside work. Behaving like a foul-mouthed screeching harpy does nothing to enhance anyones image. Nor does getting in someone's face, unless you also want to teach children how to bully.


And if you're only nice to the kids because you HAVE to be, change jobs.


OP - to answer your question. Absolutely, have a quiet word with the Manager.

dandelionclock30

mrcow wrote: »

You are 100% wrong.

When I did my teacher training, the first thing that was drummed into all of us was that our professionalism follows us out of the workplace and into the community.

Anyone working with children should be aware of this.

If you can't control yourself, you are in the wrong job.

We should think about our behaviour and how it reflects upon our profession.

It doesnt seemed to have worked very well though does it with the amount of teachers getting struck off for assault and sexual abuse. Theres loads each year, not just one here or there.Anyway thats not the issue.

Regarding the woman, it sounds to me like shes got an anger problem which may be due to mental health issues like depression or bi polar or something elce.
I would think out of the box and give here employer some leaflets about where she can access some help. She's really not doing herself any favours losing control like this.
I'd just pass the leaflets on and say that you saw the woman and that she was upset and carrying on and she may find this helpfull. Then at least she knows where to go for help.
She shouldnt be behaving like that at all. But to me it sounds like shes got wider issues that need addressing. Obviously she doesnt want to be getting into trouble in the community or at work really.

mrcow

dandelionclock30 wrote: »

It doesnt seemed to have worked very well though does it with the amount of teachers getting struck off for assault and sexual abuse. Theres loads each year, not just one here or there.Anyway thats not the issue.

Are there really "loads"?
Or is it just that we hear about them when they are because it's so shocking that it's plastered all over the news?

I agree, either way, it's not what's being discussed. But any teacher with even a pinch of common sense understands that there are certains behaviours that should not be displayed. I would include swearing and shouting abuse at parents in a play scheme in amongst those!