I feel like I'm never going to get a job...

fufu_banterwaite

melysion wrote: »

I agree care work is a good option for the OP. I'm just frustrated that people (like you) think it's SO EASY to get a job based solely on a few isolated experiences.

For many people it isn't. To get to my last interview, I had to fight past 60 other applicants. Bear in mind, of course, it's not just the unemployed chasing each and every job either - its people like me too.

I am basing my opinion on all the experiences I and my friends have had. Like I say I don’t know anyone who has had a problem finding a job, and of the many people I met travelling everyone got a job pretty quickly within coming home.

All we can all do is base our opinion on personal experiences. You too are basing your opinion on a ‘few isolated experiences’ as you put it. Everyone is entitled to have an opinon.

mattcanary

fufu_banterwaite wrote: »

I am basing my opinion on all the experiences I and my friends have had. Like I say I don’t know anyone who has had a problem finding a job, and of the many people I met travelling everyone got a job pretty quickly within coming home.

All we can all do is base our opinion on personal experiences. You too are basing your opinion on a ‘few isolated experiences’ as you put it. Everyone is entitled to have an opinon.

Well, you should not be so judgmental. And open your eyes.

Basing things solely upon your own experience is the epitome of being judgmental and not being able display any empathy,.

Notice you have not addressed my points.

That's because I have stated the blindingly obvious, and it is pretty impossible to dispute.

Personally if I was a manager at a housing association, I would not want to employ you. Your values are not in keeping with someone employed by such an organisation. How can they be convinced than when it comes down to the crunch, you will treat your unemployed tenants with respect

fufu_banterwaite

mattcanary wrote: »

Well, you should not be so judgmental. And open your eyes.

Basing things solely upon your own experience is the epitome of being judgmental and not being able display any empathy.

Everyone bases things on the experience of themselves and those they know. I hope you don’t base all of your opinions on what you read in the paper and hear on the radio or see on TV!

Is your opinion on the matter based on first hand evidence? Or is it just based on what you read, hear and see?

Also you say I shouldn’t be so judgemental and then you say you wouldn’t employ me despite not knowing anything about me, the organisation I work for or the job I do!

That is, as you say, “the epitome of being judgemental’.

mattcanary

I am basing this opinion upon the claptrap you haveyourself directly posted in this thread.

How do you explain away the high rate of the unemployed, compared to the number of job vacancies?

You can;t state that that every unemployed person should be successful after at the most 4 interviews for a job.

For the reasons, I and others have already stated. And probably for other reasons besides.

And why did your housing association not interview the people that applied for your vacancy? That is hardly helping people that are looking for work, who may well be quite capanble of performing the role (maybe after some training from your organisation). If this is the typical action of recruiters, is it so difficult to understand why many people (such as myself) find it difficult to find work?

fufu_banterwaite

My opinion is that there are plenty of jobs available. You are saying that there aren’t.

I am basing my opinion on first hand evidence experienced by myself and everyone else I know.

What I am trying to find out is what you are basing your opinion on? Are you basing it on personal experiences or just what you read or hear in the papers and on TV, etc?

Sorry you didn’t understand my initial question. I hope this is clear enough for you.

mattcanary

fufu_banterwaite wrote: »

My opinion is that there are plenty of jobs available. You are saying that there aren’t.

I am basing my opinion on first hand evidence experienced by myself and everyone else I know.

What I am trying to find out is what you are basing your opinion on? Are you basing it on personal experiences or just what you read or hear in the papers and on TV, etc?

Sorry you didn’t understand my initial question. I hope this is clear enough for you.

My own experiences (especially when dealing with recruitment agencies), listening to others, previously volunteering for the Citizens Advice Bureau and a local authority, and reading papers, etc (interpreting what I read for myself).

I also believe that some of the jobs out there are not worth having (if they are zero hours contracts, fake self--employed jobs that are not truly self-employed at all, doorstep coldcalling, etc).
Why should I allow employers to get away with these sharp practices, just because I am unemployed? I have done this once (in my last paid job at Hermes which inciidentally was paying well below the minimum wage after all workrelated expenses). I don;t wish to do this again.

That does cut down on my options somewhat. But then I am hardly living the life of Riley on £72 odd quid a week, am I?


PS: you still can;t explain away the basic point of what I was saying previously. About the number of job vacancies, relative to the number of people (and that figure is understated) looking for work.

You see I am not basing all of what I say on my own personal experience. Unlike some others here, it would seem. It is a good job that others (such as Octavia Hill, Sir Joseph Rowntree, Beveridge, etc did not rely solely upon their own experiences.

seven-day-weekend

Have you considered attending a Job Club while you're unemployed? They will help you to set realistic goals, help you with a CV and interview skills and help you gain confidence to enter the job market.

There are usually several in large towns and cities, some of which will be run by fully trained volunteers by CAP (Christians Against Poverty - but your faith or lack of it is immaterial, they are open to all).

https://capuk.org/i-want-help/cap-job-clubs/introduction

(I am a Job Coach at a CAP Job Club - just to state my interest).

fufu_banterwaite

mattcanary wrote: »

My own experiences, listening to others, previously volunteering for the Citizens Advice Bureau and a local authority, and reading papers, etc (interpreting what I read for myself)

Thank you. So your opinion is based upon personal experience, in the same way mine is.

Please don’t think my opinion is less valid than yours when it is based upon the same factors just because you don’t agree with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

mattcanary

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Have you considered attending a Job Club while you're unemployed? They will help you to set realistic goals, help you with a CV and interview skills and help you gain confidence to enter the job market.

There are usually several in large towns and cities, some of which will be run by fully trained volunteers by CAP (Christians Against Poverty - but your faith or lack of it is immaterial, they are open to all).

https://capuk.org/i-want-help/cap-job-clubs/introduction

(I am a Job Coach at a CAP Job Club - just to state my interest).

Thanks for that.

I had intended to ask my jobcoach at the Jobcentre about this at my review meeting next week. I had tried to find out myself on the internet but it seemed to draw a blank. I live in a city, so I am hopeful there will be something of that nature.

I tried using the Jobcentre yesterday to apply for jobs on their computers (I don;t have Microsoft Word at home and find it is not possible to download and complete all application forms onto my laptop at home). I only have Open Office.

What a joke that was. Their computer also didn;t have Microsoft Word and it was not physically possible to download forms onto the computer there, (let alone complete them). I didn;t bother to ask how I could print anything offf (I had wanted to print off some CVs and ask about being provbided with postage stamps too - something the Jobcentre advertises that they can do).

mattcanary

fufu_banterwaite wrote: »

Thank you. So your opinion is based upon personal experience, in the same way mine is.

Please don’t think my opinion is less valid than yours when it is based upon the same factors just because you don’t agree with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Still can't explain away the basic point