I feel like I'm never going to get a job...

mattcanary

BillJones wrote: »

There are maybe more than you realise. As I posted recently, I've a relative whose a serial loser of jobs, and he's just, again, walked into another pretty decent one that will train him and try to retain him for life. This is a proper job, with good prospects, in the North East.

He's done it three times in recent months. If this lad can (no qualifications, little intelligence), in a "deprived" area then the situation can't be particularly bad.

He's not the only one, I've had other relatives whose factory closed down, and both arranged another job before the last one finished. I've een called today myself and asked to go in and talk to another bank who'd be interested in tempting me to move.

Overall, personal experience seems to tie in well with the official figures, and both suggest that saying that there are "no jobs" is not really right.

He's probably good at blagging and short-term action. Not so good at commitment. A lot of people are like that. They find it relatuvely easy to find work, not as easy to stay in the same work long--term.

You uprooted one day to move down south and work in the city, didn;t you? Initiative and being willing to take a risk must run in the family.

J_i_m

I think we do have to be careful about this illusion of "If I can do it, then so can everyone else".

It's a very narrow perspective to take on reality.

Now, if you're one of these people who is very personable and has the knack of securing a job in a relatively short time period time, and time again, then good for you as you're obviously doing something right (whatever that is).

But that isn't the rule for everyone. If it were, then nearly no one would be out of work ever.

No one is saying that there aren't jobs out there, of course there is. But there is also competition for those jobs, each with any number of worthy candidates.

It's very easy to flippantly quip that something must be wrong with a person's mindset if they're consistently unsuccessful. But that is to completely ignore that they're also up against several other candidates equally as worthy of securing the job (if not just a tiny bit more) for each job they apply to.

On the balance of numbers I suspect most people have more unsuccessful interviews than successful ones regardless of their performance.

We have to remember that people are diverse. It's very comfortable to believe that the same opportunity is available to everybody, but in reality it isn't.

wapow

BillJones wrote: »

If this lad can (no qualifications, little intelligence), in a "deprived" area then the situation can't be particularly bad.

You question his intelligence yet you yourself don't take into consideration all factors involved.

I've known many people in my lifetime who have managed to get decent jobs but they're incredibly..thick. For lack of a better word.

This is where I believe the interview process for jobs is flawed.

These people seem to apply for similar roles and they are incredibly adept at conveying confidence in an interview because they've been to that many.

They cant however, hold down a job for too long because, an interview can be predicted, but the job is dynamic and always moving. They cant cope so they blag for as long as they can and then leave or are asked to leave.

I'll give you an example of a candidate that has joined our organisation. In his interview, you could see that he was becoming uncomfortable, his voice was shaky and he was struggling with the process of the interview.

He did come clean and asked for more time to think about his answers and also stated that in his mind something flips and he's unable to convey confidence in an interview, but this changes once he is actually working.

So as an employer, they gave this some thought. His references checked out. They had great reviews of him. His past work experience coincided with the work we do and he's kept his previous jobs for long periods of time. He was well prepared and smart. You could tell by listening to him that he knew what to talk about but seemed to struggle with conveying his message.

Some people get like that. Smart employers can look past this. The fella got a job and has been doing very well.

These are all things that a candidate must think about and an employer should too.

lakes17

fufu_banterwaite wrote: »

If that is the case then that is probably another reason he is finding it hard to get job. He should be more thick skinned, not everything will go the way you like it in the world and sometimes people may say things you don’t like or don’t agree with. In situations like that you need to defend yourself.

Also three very helpful suggestions were made less than 30 minutes after the OP started this thread. I don’t believe for one second he hasn’t read them and I don’t believe he hasn’t had time to say thank you.

If you look at the OP's statistics you will see that the last time they were on-line was 30 March at 13:46 - exactly the same time that they posted the first thread!!!

wapow

An act of kindness should take place without the need for a thanks. Do it because it is your nature and let your actions in itself become an example for those around you.


If you require approval for your actions or hold expectations then maybe you need to look within yourself at your own personality and come to realise why you need to fulfil such needs.

BillJones

mattcanary wrote: »

He's probably good at blagging and short-term action. Not so good at commitment. A lot of people are like that. They find it relatuvely easy to find work, not as easy to stay in the same work long--term.

You uprooted one day to move down south and work in the city, didn;t you? Initiative and being willing to take a risk must run in the family.

Whether he is or not, he's found a job pretty easily. They asked for zero prior experience, so there was no need to "big up" anything.

It shows that there are jobs out there.

And no, I uprooted and moved south to do a physics degree, then stayed to do a doctorate.

BillJones

wapow wrote: »

You question his intelligence yet you yourself don't take into consideration all factors involved.

No, you are very wrong, I'm afraid. I did take into consideration all factors involved,but only posted those germane to the point which I was arguing against. To whit "there are no jobs".

None of the rest of your response argues against the fact; you've rather used my post as a jumping off point for a strange diversion into a pet topic.

darrensurrey

FWIW the OPer hasn't logged in since he posted the OP.

lakes17

Which is what I already said about 1/2 hr ago.

wapow

BillJones wrote: »

No, you are very wrong, I'm afraid. I did take into consideration all factors involved,but only posted those germane to the point which I was arguing against. To whit "there are no jobs".

None of the rest of your response argues against the fact; you've rather used my post as a jumping off point for a strange diversion into a pet topic.

You will find I am very right. Do you know what kind of role the OP wishes to take? Is it in line with your relative?
If the OP said there are no jobs, have you asked what jobs the OP is looking for? Ive not read this entire thread hence im asking. If the OP and your relatives job line up then by all means I am wrong. However im confident in myself to know you haven't had an answer from the OP the type of roles the OP is looking for.


Therefore you have not considered all factors.


You may have assumed that by "job" the OP meant any job. Which is why the first person to reply actually queried what type of job the OP has applied for or is looking for, which is the correct way to go.


You have also not considered the mentality of the OP, as opposed to your relative. Maybe the OP is prone to high stress levels? Which could play a part in their mentality or confidence and the lack thereof.


Your relative on the other hand may not be prone to the stress and may handle stress incredibly well. Regardless of their intelligence. In turn, your relative may display a high level of confidence and/or have a very social nature which believe it or not can get you jobs in say, a warehouse or factory line without prior experience.


Another factor not considered.