Nice People Thread Number 11 - A Treasury of Nice People

Doozergirl

Does Wednesbury refer to old case law or something?

Edit: Googled it. The Wednesbury Corporation of Staffordshire must be the same place. Wednesbury is West Mids but very near the Staffs border. Wiki says Wednesbury was formerly in Staffs, so there it is

neverdespairgirl

michaels wrote: »

House renting costs a fortune, cleaning (should be recoverable from last tenant) 652, Plumber and new shower 320, Inventory clerk for check out / check in 250. Plus no doubt a bunch of agents fees

£652 cleaning? What on earth needed doing? That's a vast sum!

Masomnia

The Girl With Whom It Isn't Really Working Out So Well charges £200 per house for cleaning, I think. Something like that anyway.

zagubov

tomterm8 wrote: »

Not dead

That's always a cheery start to today's diary entry! :beer:

Spirit wrote: »

Do you not age?

neat trick.

When I saw you I thought you only looked about 12.

I'm sure Michaels had mentioned on a previous thread that he'd looked into it and ageing was unaffordable so he'd opted out of it. A wise move we should all consider.

neverdespairgirl

Doozergirl wrote: »

Does Wednesbury refer to old case law or something?

Yes - but as in some other now-basic legal principles which are named after cases, it's so well-established that you don't have to quote the actual case reference, as it's taken as read.

Wednesbury was one of the founding cases in establishing the principles of judicial review, just about the time of the end of the Second World War, I think.

In order to hide what lawyers are talking about, we often refer to principles named after cases - so Wednesbury unreasonableness, or Anton Piller order (search and seizure without notice to the party being searched in advance), or a Mareva injunction (freezing bank accounts without notice) or a Norwich Pharmacal order (obliging a third party to disclose material).

In all of these cases, I know nothing about the facts of what they were about, just what the orders named after the cases are for, and what the tests are for getting them.

Doozergirl

Wednesbury was about the Wednesbury Corporation not allowing children under 15 into a picture house on a Sunday.

Can't understand the legalese enough to decide who or what was unreasonable!

Guess it was this little beauty, turned into a bingo hall then abandoned because of the smoking ban, allegedly, not the fact that it looks like a dump and there's a giant shiny Gala or whatever by Ikea.

http://www.midlandsheritage.co.uk/miscellaneous-heritage/6175-picture-house-gaumont-odeon-wednesbury.html

zagubov

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

£652 cleaning? What on earth needed doing? That's a vast sum!

Used to know someone who taught a cleaning Higher Ed course. It's big money and high employability but wearing spacesuits sometimes. Radioactive stuff and everything. Not the Wolf from Pulp Fiction though- just legal stuff.:)

neverdespairgirl

I had a vague idea it was about cinemas, but no clue whatsoever about the detail you've posted there (-:

I do know quite a lot about the Wednesbury principle in relation to modern JR, though!

I have a case open on my openoffice at the moment ,relevant to some grounds I'm drafting, which contains a typical reference:

"Having said that, I am satisfied that in respect of the Hardial Singh second principle there came a point in the detention when the period of detention was unreasonable for the purpose of deportation whether that be judged on the grounds of an objective assessment by the court itself, or on conventional Wednesbury grounds, and I do not consider that it is therefore necessary to resolve the issue."

Hardial Singh is a case setting out the ideas about unlawful detention tests, and that paragraph assumes that the reader knows what "conventional Wednesbury grounds" are as well.

I'm sure lots of professions use linguistic shortcuts like this, which also handily exclude the outside world?

Doozergirl

zagubov wrote: »

Used to know someone who taught a cleaning Higher Ed course. It's big money and high employability but wearing spacesuits sometimes. Radioactive stuff and everything. Not the Wolf from Pulp Fiction though- just legal stuff.:)

Wolf probably costs more than £652 and I've come to expect better of michaels than to murder his tenant.

Removing radioactive waste in space suits is a possibility?

Masomnia

I don't think it's a deliberate attempt to exclude, but certainly all professions, like all groups generally (friends etc) have phrases, understandings, meanings, conventions, whatever else that outsiders are clueless about.