Another public sector pay outrage

Bantex_2

coastline wrote: »

No idea here just guessing...

Worker A is fully qualified on £400 a week...gets 1% pay rise...
Worker A is now on £404 a week...

Worker B has a final increment taking them from £390 a week to £400 a week.
Worker B doesn't get 1%.

Do we now have A on £404 and B on £400...both doing the same job. ??
If so Cameron thinks this is fair...

Life is not always fair.
Some people are born better looking than others.
Some people get sick and others don't.
Some are more clever than others.
Get used to it.
Only primary school children and public sector workers keep banging on about how everything should be fair.

grizzly1911

coastline wrote: »

No idea here just guessing...

Worker A is fully qualified on £400 a week...gets 1% pay rise...
Worker A is now on £404 a week...

Worker B has a final increment taking them from £390 a week to £400 a week.
Worker B doesn't get 1%.

Do we now have A on £404 and B on £400...both doing the same job. ??
If so Cameron thinks this is fair...

One step closer to performance related pay which will, in turn hold base salary and associated pension down further in due course.

BillJones

ruggedtoast wrote: »

This is another insult to the working man by toff boy Cameron and his grinning banker mates and it will not go unanswered.

Yes, I can see, you've answered it by having a temper-tantrum on the internet.

Well done you.

adouglasmhor

ukcarper wrote: »

If somebody in private industries gets promoted they get a pay rise.

That's becasue they are doing a different job. like the difierence between the nurses in chewingmylegoff's examples.

BillJones

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Public sector service is a vocation for many.

So you get to do what you love, but expect great money too?

You are deluded.

BillJones

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Apparently to get the best you have to pay the best, hence they won't do anything to try and curb any of what some may see as excess pay or bonuses.

Yet when it comes to the public sector, apparently this no longer applies, and to get the best out of the public sector, you have to pay as little as you can get away with.

You seem confused. In both situations the pay is the minimum that the employer can get away with. Do you genuinely believe that my bank pays me a penny more than they think that they have to?

Why would they do that?

adouglasmhor

N1AK wrote: »

And a very large number aren't whereas all public spending is founded upon money earnt via private enterprise. Farmers would still exist without public medical services, I'm not sure how long nurses would last without farmers

I thought every farmer in the UK was on the verge of bankruptcy and only surviving from EU grants and subsidies.

adouglasmhor

mayonnaise wrote: »

They do, but are not net contributors.

Many private sector workers are not net contributors. As once they are paid they pay tax on their money though many public sector workers are net contributors. People like you seem to have a problem understanding that once you buy the labour and skills from someone and pay them. It's their money, not the Governments, not the Taxpayers, not the Publics.

BillJones

ruggedtoast wrote: »

The snouts are in the trough.

There's only one person here screaming for more money, and it's not this banker...

It's strange isn't it, how people like you stamp your little feet, shake your little fists, and scream for more money, but it's always apparently someone else who's being greedy.

You obviously care about money very much. That's fine but please, don't try to pretend that it's others who do.

bugslet

Graham_Devon wrote: »

And I do wish the public and private sector weren't at loggerheads in scenarios like this.

Many in the public sector put themselves in harms way every day in order to protect, serve, or help others.

Be it a nurse getting a needlestick infection and picking up a nasty virus from a drunken, drugged up idiot shes trying to help. Be it a police officer getting severly injured or killed. Be it a firefighter putting their life at risk to save yours and your family or be it our servicemen, literally offering their lives.....
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So do I Graham, I have no idea why there has to be an us and them mindset, but both sides seem to be able to 'bash' as well as the other.

On the dangerous job and literally offering their lives comment, farming and fishing accounts for 1 in 5 workplace deaths, despite fewer than 1 in
100 work in the industry. Construction is pretty risky as well. Whilst I can't quickly find figures for deaths of HGV drivers, Trucknet forum frequently has postings of someone that set out to do a days work, that will never go home. So my point is that many in the private sector put themselves in harms way to get a job done - we all need food, we all need buildings and we all need a supply chain.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

That's because there is more intelligence used in the MOD these days. There has to be. The biggest threat today isn't an army coming to invade us. It's terrorism.

We don't just "happen to know" that there could be a bomb cleverly hidden inside a toner cartridge for example. That's those "pen pushers" who are silently saving peoples lives without them even knowing it half the time.

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That's a fair point, the threats we face are going to require more bums on seats than someone holding a rifle, but I can assure you after 30 years of working for the MoD, the waste and under employment in some areas is staggering, it wouldn't or couldn't be tolerated in a commercial enterprise.