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Another public sector pay outrage
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adouglasmhor wrote: »I thought every farmer in the UK was on the verge of bankruptcy and only surviving from EU grants and subsidies.
Then you didn't think for long enough to find any information and become informed, or you don't think very hard
I suppose I should counter with the same hyperbolic bs and suggest all healthcare workers are mistreating the vulnerable because just look at North Staffs and the police are all racist and corrupt because Hillsborough and Laurence family but I don't need to resort to anything that desperate to point out that the private sector is important.Having a signature removed for mentioning the removal of a previous signature. Blackwhite bellyfeel double plus good...0 -
No it doesn't, its another one of those tabloid myths. Plus many of them are technical posts rather than admin posts
Also, even if it were the case, what would that mean? I used to work for the MOD, designing planes. There were quite a lot if us needed to design every little piece, even though each one only needed one pilot in the end.
The idea that each soldier, airman or sailor should only need one "pen pusher" doesn't really make much sense, especially if we want ever more complex equipment designed and supplied in-house.0 -
So are you saying that Nurses (public sector) are more important than Farmers (private sector)? Because that's the point I'm countering or are you just arguing for giggles because you have nothing better to do?
Nurses wouldn't exist without private sector employees. It's a pretty obvious point, and yet you still feel some compulsion to argue against any post mentioning it. That fact doesn't make nurses a lesser profession, but it certainly shoots holes in the nonsensical idea that private jobs are 'less important'.
I really don't understand this public sector private sector argument we need both and there are people who are underpaid in both sectors and there are people who are over paid in both sectors. The gap between the lowest paid and highest paid has increased and is continuing to increase and I don't consider that a good thing I'm sure others will disagree.0 -
Blackbeard_of_Perranporth wrote: »So going to university, probably free at tax payers expense, those that drive so called punnets to the packers paid for. Then these so called punnet drivers then continue until well after the Public Sector worker retires, at 50 after a fart, to pay for their gold plated pension, while they scream that a new teacher on £24,000 pa should get affordable housing!
No I do not drive the punnet truck, but I note the ammount of Public workers who are on line during the day.
And if it were not for the punnet truck driver, the wealth in the economy would not generate the tax to pay for your employment!
OK I think maybe we are getting too focused on the punnets, the packing of the punnets on the pallets and the means of purveyance of the pallets to the purveyors of the contents of the punnets.
What I am trying to point out, is that without the public sector there would be no roads, no one to make punnets in the first place and no functioning economy with which to pecuniarise them.0 -
Define service personell.
That number looks about a year old
If we ignore the (part time) reserves (just under 29k) then the full time strength of all 3 services is 166,420
(Regulars, Reserves serving full time, Gurkhas & ~12k trainees)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/288528/MPR_February_2014.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/280401/2013.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/284487/civilian-personnel-report-1_january_2014.pdf0 -
The one thing that's missing from the discussion is the current level of the budget deficit and the amount that UK plc owes collectively.
We pay ourselves too much. Our expectations are over inflated.
The rest of the world is no longer part of the British Empire, subsidising our lifestyle.
Time to change the record and face reality. As there's no fairies nor magic money tree at the bottom of the garden.0 -
So are you saying that Nurses (public sector) are more important than Farmers (private sector)? Because that's the point I'm countering or are you just arguing for giggles because you have nothing better to do?
Nurses wouldn't exist without private sector employees. It's a pretty obvious point, and yet you still feel some compulsion to argue against any post mentioning it. That fact doesn't make nurses a lesser profession, but it certainly shoots holes in the nonsensical idea that private jobs are 'less important'.
I am not arguing that private sector jobs are less important.
Simply that "nurses", for the sake of this thread, are being defined as to public sector. If we did away with the public sector then the private sector person would still need to obtain care/service at some time from another private sector "nurse".
Potentially without that "nurse" that individual may not survive.
The "nurse" would still have to be paid for at some point, the timing and amount is all that differs. "Nurses" paid on demand would not be cheap. Nor are call out charges for heating engineers in the deep of winter, hence the reason many take out "insurance" and pay a set amount each month "just in case". Many are blind as to whether the individual gets real value for money from such cover but glibly pay it."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
In April 2013, there were 177,000 service personnel and 65,400 civilians.
Still, why let the facts get in the way.That number looks about a year old
If we ignore the (part time) reserves (just under 29k) then the full time strength of all 3 services is 166,420
(Regulars, Reserves serving full time, Gurkhas & ~12k trainees)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/288528/MPR_February_2014.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/280401/2013.pdf
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/284487/civilian-personnel-report-1_january_2014.pdf
Yes, I agree. April 2013 is nearly a year ago! But the documents you link to don't (as far as I can see) contain figures for civilian MOD employees, so don't provide the comparison needed.0 -
Yes, I agree. April 2013 is nearly a year ago! But the documents you link to don't (as far as I can see) contain figures for civilian MOD employees, so don't provide the comparison needed.
The 3rd link is civilians. 63,350 so about 1:2.6 Although, as said previously, its a fairly meaningless number on its own0
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