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Arval UK - Paid PCN and now want me to pay them
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Just upload it to tinypic then place the link here minus the http://www part of it, mse will allow you to do that. Think after 10-15 posts you can place linksWhen posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
:beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:0 -
Where in my reply did I say to post an image? Or even to post a link? I said to post a broken link, and even gave an example of such.
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We need to see both sides of the actual NTO, please. What contravention is alleged?PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD0 -
It only gives a notice number and reg number
plus date time and location.
I imagine other details were in the imaginary notice on my windscreen.
After much prompting they just sent me this also
10. LIABILITY AND INDEMNITY
10.1In respect of any responsibility, claims, liabilities, losses, damages, orexpenses, including legal fees, and any liability resulting from legislationfor the payment of fines or penalties for parking, driving or similar offencesor contraventions in connection with Vehicles (the "Liability"): (a)ARVAL has no responsibility for the Liability; (b) the Hirer accepts allresponsibility for the Liability including taking all appropriate action; and(c) the Hirer indemnifies ARVAL and holds ARVAL harmless against the Liability.ARVAL shall be entitled to charge the Hirer a reasonable administration fee forany work carried out or documentation processed relating to the Liability.
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It only gives a notice number and reg number
plus date time and location.
I imagine other details were in the imaginary notice on my windscreen.
After much prompting they just sent me this also
10. LIABILITY AND INDEMNITY
10.1In respect of any responsibility, claims, liabilities, losses, damages, orexpenses, including legal fees, and any liability resulting from legislationfor the payment of fines or penalties for parking, driving or similar offencesor contraventions in connection with Vehicles (the "Liability"): (a)ARVAL has no responsibility for the Liability; (b) the Hirer accepts allresponsibility for the Liability including taking all appropriate action; and(c) the Hirer indemnifies ARVAL and holds ARVAL harmless against the Liability.ARVAL shall be entitled to charge the Hirer a reasonable administration fee forany work carried out or documentation processed relating to the Liability.
I think that they should be required to justify that reasonable fee. Given that all they need is a minimum wage grunt to stuff some envelopes and send a few emails one morning a week, I doubt they could justify £35.0 -
After much prompting they just sent me this also
10. LIABILITY AND INDEMNITY
10.1In respect of any responsibility, claims, liabilities, losses, damages, orexpenses, including legal fees, and any liability resulting from legislationfor the payment of fines or penalties for parking, driving or similar offencesor contraventions in connection with Vehicles (the "Liability"): (a)ARVAL has no responsibility for the Liability; (b) the Hirer accepts allresponsibility for the Liability including taking all appropriate action; and(c) the Hirer indemnifies ARVAL and holds ARVAL harmless against the Liability.ARVAL shall be entitled to charge the Hirer a reasonable administration fee forany work carried out or documentation processed relating to the Liability.
Hoisted by their own petard? (PPC invoices are not fines or penalties, as you rightly said in your OP).0 -
This is the pepipoo thread on this matter
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=88633When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
We don't need the following to help you.
Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
:beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:0 -
Hoisted by their own petard? (PPC invoices are not fines or penalties, as you rightly said in your OP).
Not sure as that was just an example and the opening list is attempting to be all-encompassing. It is an unfair contract term though and as such could be struck out if you could get a court to agree.
Note that it limits its liability to denying the liability, and passing on the paperwork and charging to do so. It says nothing about paying and passing on the bill.
I think that they are outside their contact and also acting unreasonably.0
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