Effect of Scottish Independence Vote

Chadsman

Have I understood correctly- when SNP say they want a currency union they mean they want a say in BoE policy?

CLAPTON

Chadsman wrote: »

Have I understood correctly- when SNP say they want a currency union they mean they want a say in BoE policy?

Currency union would mean that Scotland would have a say in BoE policy
but far more importantly it means that England would guarantee the debts of Scottish banks and institutions
and even more importantly would guarantee the debts of the Scottish Government

obviously no foreign (English) government would guarantee another independent countries debts unless England had control of Scottish budget spending, borrowing etc.

innovate

grey_gym_sock wrote: »

what incredible drivel this issue is inspiring a few english ppl to spout. they don't speak for most english ppl.

You might be right, but how do you know who is speaking for how many English people?
Reveal yourself a, together with reasons for why I want to vote for you and any independently assessed numbers of people supporting your case.

atush

moneyfoolish wrote: »

I just think it's very sad that so many people in Scotland don't consider themselves to be British. I'm English but consider myself British first and English second. I would want the union to remain whether it had any economic benefits for the English or not. From what I've read in the newspapers and heard on radio and TV, I'm pretty sure that Scotland will not be able to use the pound in the event of seperation and neither will it have any chance of joining the EU for some considerable time. It seems to be yet another case of a politician pushing a policy for the purpose of giving himself the power he could otherwise never attain.

I have to say I agree completely. Despite not being British or scottish or English, I feel a loyalty to the UK. And am cheering more for team GB than half my UK family.

I have never understood the whole thing of the scottish cheering on for foreign teams to beat England (or the reverse if it happens- haven't seen it yet).

completely mystifies me.

TCA

grey_gym_sock wrote: »

what incredible drivel this issue is inspiring a few english ppl to spout. they don't speak for most english ppl.

thanks for the being the impartial voice of reason in this thread. i've said all i need to say on the EU and the currency issues and will pass the baton to those with more tolerance for drivel than i have.

Chadsman

CLAPTON wrote: »

Currency union would mean that Scotland would have a say in BoE policy
but far more importantly it means that England would guarantee the debts of Scottish banks and institutions
and even more importantly would guarantee the debts of the Scottish Government

obviously no foreign (English) government would guarantee another independent countries debts unless England had control of Scottish budget spending, borrowing etc.

It will be a cold day in Hades before any rUK government agrees to their tax payers effectivley providing a subsidy to what would be a foreign state.

atush

Do you really believe that the EU would take away EU citizenship and rights for 5 million Scots while it reapplied? I just can't see it and as said above, they wouldn't need to anyway.

yes, I really completely believe it.

thanks for the being the impartial voice of reason in this thread. i've said all i need to say on the EU and the currency issues and will pass the baton to those with more tolerance for drivel than i have.

Impartial? Hardly. Although I very much respect GGS, I always thought they were scottish.

Maybe I got that wrong?'

You did get right they have more tolerance though.

grey_gym_sock

atush wrote: »

Although I very much respect GGS, I always thought they were scottish.

thank you. i'm english; but i think of myself more as british.

zagubov

grey_gym_sock wrote: »

no, the requirement is not adopting the euro immediately. it's agreeing to adopt it at an unspecified future date. but that doesn't actually force them to adopt it at any date. sweden are in the same position, and have even been judged to meet the convergence criteria, but have chosen not to adopt the euro regardless.

as for ppl suggesting that NATO might not want scotland as a member: are you kidding?

there are some real uncertainties about what independence would entail, but let's not exaggerate. i can see how this might !!!! off some scots. there's no need to stoop to the same tactics as the westminster politicians.

GGS is quite correct. This video dispels the myth of Scotland having to join the euro quite thoroughly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgJyRVHvfBo
If anybody posts this myth again we can post this link again.:beer:

innovate wrote: »

You are right, everyone is entitled to their opinions, right or wrong. It would take more time than any of us have on this world to decide what is right and what is wrong, anyway.

When people diverge in their opinions more than either of them can cope with, they usually go their own ways. The planet is still big enough for that. So if you, Scotland, cannot stand me, the UK, any longer - just leave, please. Nobody will stand in your way, and the sex wasn't terribly good, anyway, I am sure you will agree. Although I tried to cover it up at the time, and I always had a very liberal approach to life, I didn't like your affair with that corrupt Fred Goodwin cousin of yours, and your uncle Gordon Brown made my aunt Gillian cry for days.

But that's history - please do make up your mind and make appropriate provisions for your future - there is no such thing as a partial divorce. We won't have any joint accounts after you leave, I won't pay for your bills even if I earn more than you do and I'm afraid I can't lend you the occasional grand, you can't invite your friends to our house any longer, you can't borrow my car any longer, I won't do your wash and iron your shirts any longer, I don't care if you get fired or if your new house burns down.

And there's no more sex, definitely (I won't yet admit I have had better sex with Francois, but you should know we are having an outrageously good time at trying out new things. Even had a trial threesome with Angela but Francois said he had to catch a motorcycle at the last minute, and then Angela rushed off for her Greek lessons). Luckily, you and I don't have any kids, so we don't have to keep in touch for the kids' sake. If you run out of money, I might give you a loan but don't bank on it. I did actually have a very deep feeling for you, but have decided to live without me, which is a shame. I wish you all the luck in the world but you decided it is separate lives from here on.....

Bottom line: you say Yes, I genuinely wish you the very best of luck but do not ask any favours from me. You don't stab your best friend and then ask them for any favour.

I think you need to dump this divorce metaphor. It has stopped working.

DCodd

zagubov wrote: »

GGS is quite correct. This video dispels the myth of Scotland having to join the euro quite thoroughly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgJyRVHvfBo
If anybody posts this myth again we can post this link again.:beer:



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So Scottish MP's and MSP's can ask questions of the EU pertaining to the criteria for membership, it doesn't need the Government to ask the questions.