Effect of Scottish Independence Vote

innovate

TCA wrote: »

The EU would welcome Scotland with open arms.

Which bits of the EU do you have in mind? How many bits of the EU do even know that Scotland wants to be its own country, and what Scotland as a country would stand for?

The major issues in the EU remain things like the Euro and its associated grave issues in Greece, Spain and Italy. Next on their agenda are the immensely worrying issues in the Ukraine and other states bordering Russia, as well as threats from religious extremists of one denomination or other, and after that they have to deal with running their own states. The woes of a region in one of the peaceful member states are fairly low down on their agendas, but not far enough down to let such a region run riot with the conventions of the union.

TCA

innovate wrote: »

Very fair question to ask though afaik this question has been asked and answered countless times already in the EU parliament. Scotland would have to apply for membership.

It's been asked on this thread before: when has Alex Salmond asked the UK Government to ask the question, and why is he not making an issue out of the UK government not asking the question?

For goodness sake. Read the last 4 pages of this thread. Only a member state, the UK, can request a formal ruling from the EU.

Salmond and others have called for this many times. The reply from Michael Moore and others was that they would not engage the EU on a hypothetical situation. See an earlier post of mine regarding his slating for this is in the House of Lords.

http://news.stv.tv/politics/254843-salmond-calls-on-uk-government-to-resolve-scotlands-eu-membership/

innovate wrote: »

The Nats don't even seem to realise that their current problems (i.e. not getting everything they want in the UK) would get magnified by a huge factor if they were to go it alone in the EU, NATO, UN or any other international body.

Going it alone in the EU, being properly able to represent Scotland's fishing interests for example, would be better than no representation when the UK leaves the EU after a referendum. And it might surprise you that some countries survive without the huge power-wielding influence that you think the UK has. I'd quite happily leave the rUK to its lapdog antics with the US on all things. Wars and all.

And you expect a barrage of abuse for making a childish comparison to a 10 year old? I wonder why that is. Sorry to disappoint.

Buzby

If Scotland leaves the UK, then the entity of the rUK is also not the same one that entered EU membership, and it would naive to assume that nothing else could change. A blessing in disguise to an anti-EU England?

We're doing you a favour!

TCA

innovate wrote: »

Which bits of the EU do you have in mind? How many bits of the EU do even know that Scotland wants to be its own country, and what Scotland as a country would stand for?

The major issues in the EU remain things like the Euro and its associated grave issues in Greece, Spain and Italy. Next on their agenda are the immensely worrying issues in the Ukraine and other states bordering Russia, as well as threats from religious extremists of one denomination or other, and after that they have to deal with running their own states. The woes of a region in one of the peaceful member states are fairly low down on their agendas.

Just remind me which ones are set to veto Scotland's membership?

And with all these major issues going on, they'd just ignore a membership application from a new state? Away and get a grip.

Woes? That's just laughable.

innovate

Buzby wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion, even if you are wrong. I'm not a 'Nat' but I recognise the hardball that is being played by all sides and still note we have a Scottish Govt that has acted in my best interests ever since it was elected, and for a second term.

We've done away with toll bridges (what a farce!) no prescription charges (like Wales) free national bus travel and and a pride in not suffering from the nonsensical Westminster braying and politicking that hacks most folk off.

By steering such a steady course, they continue to amass the respect they deserve. Your analogies are as facile as the point you are not making - the problems you note are a side issue - I'd support independence for all England's regions - if they want it.

Scotland has no representation at Westminster, and never will - that's why we want change. 10yo boys wanting a driving licence it is not.

You are right, everyone is entitled to their opinions, right or wrong. It would take more time than any of us have on this world to decide what is right and what is wrong, anyway.

When people diverge in their opinions more than either of them can cope with, they usually go their own ways. The planet is still big enough for that. So if you, Scotland, cannot stand me, the UK, any longer - just leave, please. Nobody will stand in your way, and the sex wasn't terribly good, anyway, I am sure you will agree. Although I tried to cover it up at the time, and I always had a very liberal approach to life, I didn't like your affair with that corrupt Fred Goodwin cousin of yours, and your uncle Gordon Brown made my aunt Gillian cry for days.

But that's history - please do make up your mind and make appropriate provisions for your future - there is no such thing as a partial divorce. We won't have any joint accounts after you leave, I won't pay for your bills even if I earn more than you do and I'm afraid I can't lend you the occasional grand, you can't invite your friends to our house any longer, you can't borrow my car any longer, I won't do your wash and iron your shirts any longer, I don't care if you get fired or if your new house burns down.

And there's no more sex, definitely (I won't yet admit I have had better sex with Francois, but you should know we are having an outrageously good time at trying out new things. Even had a trial threesome with Angela but Francois said he had to catch a motorcycle at the last minute, and then Angela rushed off for her Greek lessons). Luckily, you and I don't have any kids, so we don't have to keep in touch for the kids' sake. If you run out of money, I might give you a loan but don't bank on it. I did actually have a very deep feeling for you, but have decided to live without me, which is a shame. I wish you all the luck in the world but you decided it is separate lives from here on.....

Bottom line: you say Yes, I genuinely wish you the very best of luck but do not ask any favours from me. You don't stab your best friend and then ask them for any favour.

innovate

TCA wrote: »

Salmond and others have called for this many times. The reply from Michael Moore and others was that they would not engage the EU on a hypothetical situation. See an earlier post of mine regarding his slating for this is in the House of Lords.

http://news.stv.tv/politics/254843-salmond-calls-on-uk-government-to-resolve-scotlands-eu-membership/

Where has Alex Salmond ever asked for the UK government to ask the EU to take a formal position on "this"?

Are you seriously suggesting Michel Moore is "the UK Government"? What is the House of Lords to do with the UK Government?

When has Salmond asked the UK Government to get an answer to which of his questions from the EU, and when has he complained that they do not execute his request (regardless of whether he may have had a legitimate request in the first instance)?

JohnRo

They're well shut, by the sounds of it. Blimey.

The big question is whether they'll seek to rebrand and model the same old cleptocracy or try to build things for the better. I suspect that's probably the biggest fear, if they somehow end up showing everyone how it should be done.

innovate

TCA wrote: »

And it might surprise you that some countries survive without the huge power-wielding influence that you think the UK has. I'd quite happily leave the rUK to its lapdog antics with the US on all things. Wars and all.
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It might surprise you even more that I do not actually think the UK has, in reality, any power-wielding influence at all. I am not even sure you ascertained I did think the UK had any such powers.

I couldn't agree more that the US lapdog antics should be a thing of the past - not least for Scotland. Dare I mention Donald Trump.

What evidence do you have that an independent Scotland would be much more than a lapdog of the US? What other protector than the US would Scotland choose if they no longer were under the protectorate of the UK? Don't say Scotland would not need a protector/100% alliance with a pretty powerful state. I suppose there's always Russia, lol.

grey_gym_sock

what incredible drivel this issue is inspiring a few english ppl to spout. they don't speak for most english ppl.

black_taxi_2

I understand how many English feel British before English,but the rise of UKIP is making Scotland uneasy,who are a left of center European nation