Effect of Scottish Independence Vote

grey_gym_sock

planteria wrote: »

there is at least 1 country in the EU that will ... b. not approve any new member who applies for EU membership.

i've trimmed your statement to just the bit that's clearly untrue. there's no country that's likely to veto scotland.

planteria

TCA wrote: »

All that does is give an opinion as to how Scotland would apply for membership.

do you really read that link and only get that from it?

"Rajoy said: "It's very clear to me, as it is for everybody else in the world, that a country that would obtain independence from the EU would remain out of the EU, and that is good for Scottish citizens to know and for all EU citizens to know.""

so, leaving the UK means leaving the EU.

"In a statement the UK government appears to have anticipated, Rajoy said he would expect David Cameron, the UK prime minister, to take the same position if Catalonia sought to join the EU as an independent state."

so, having left the EU, you're not getting back in.

whether any of us like it or not, the Spanish can block whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. and it would be a miracle for power in Madrid to pass to a party who decide to change tack on this issue.

TCA

planteria wrote: »

there is at least 1 country in the EU that will a. not agree to change that procedure and b. not approve any new member who applies for EU membership.

I give in. You'd make a great politician yourself. Superlative failure to answer the question. Last chance - name the country and let's see the proof of this supposed veto. It's obviously not Spain because the recent comments I posted from the Spanish foreign minister confirmed they would consider a Scottish application.

So who is it?

TCA

planteria wrote: »

do you really read that link and only get that from it?

"Rajoy said: "It's very clear to me, as it is for everybody else in the world, that a country that would obtain independence from the EU would remain out of the EU, and that is good for Scottish citizens to know and for all EU citizens to know.""

so, leaving the UK means leaving the EU.

"In a statement the UK government appears to have anticipated, Rajoy said he would expect David Cameron, the UK prime minister, to take the same position if Catalonia sought to join the EU as an independent state."

so, having left the EU, you're not getting back in.

whether any of us like it or not, the Spanish can block whoever they want, for whatever reason they want. and it would be a miracle for power in Madrid to pass to a party who decide to change tack on this issue.

You've completely misread it. This is all about applying from outside the EU (as a non member) versus Salmond's "fast-track" approach of continued membership and meeting the criteria from within. It doesn't mean you're out and can't get back in or that they'd block it. Rajoy is opining that an independent Scotland would no longer be part of the EU and therefore could not avail of EU Treaty laws. The SNP position is that there is no provision in EU Treaty laws for a secession state to be expelled and therefore they can still apply under Article 48 as a member subsequent to a Yes vote but before full independence comes to fruition.

No mention of any veto.

planteria

grey_gym_sock wrote: »

i've trimmed your statement to just the bit that's clearly untrue. there's no country that's likely to veto scotland.

and..

TCA wrote: »

I give in. You'd make a great politician yourself. Superlative failure to answer the question. Last chance - name the country and let's see the proof of this supposed veto. It's obviously not Spain because the recent comments I posted from the Spanish foreign minister confirmed they would consider a Scottish application.

So who is it?

i think you should. if, when Rajoy says he expects the UK to consider Catalonia in the same way as they will consider Scotland, you think he means "welcome them into our lovely EU" you certainly should:laugh:

TCA

planteria wrote: »

and.. i think you should. if, when Rajoy says he expects the UK to consider Catalonia in the same way as they will consider Scotland, you think he means "welcome them into our lovely EU" you certainly should:laugh:

See my reply above. If you can't see it now, then I do give in. Or this below.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/08/independent-scotland-would-be-ejected-from-eu-mariano-rajoy

"The territorial integrity of Spain is a key issue for Rajoy's rightwing government, and his renewed comments on Scotland are a proxy for his views on the potential breakaway of Catalonia. "[Scotland] would have to join the queue [to enter the EU]," he said. But Rajoy would not commit himself on whether he would use Spain's veto, as an EU member country, to prevent it from rejoining. In the case of Scotland voting for independence "we would be in a different story. Let's not get ahead of ourselves," he said.

Covering his bases in case of a yes vote, Rajoy was also keen to argue that Scots and Catalans do not have a shared history or trajectory. "The cases of Scotland and Catalonia are very different."

black_taxi_2

latest poll since borosso mouthed off

NO 45%. -5%
YES 38%. +6%
undecided 16%

planteria

TCA wrote: »

See my reply above. If you can't see it now, then I do give in.

there is no more chance of 'remaining in' than there is 'getting in', whatever Alex Salmond tells you.

planteria

black_taxi wrote: »

latest poll since borosso mouthed off

i didn't hear him mouthing off. he just described the situation as politically as he could.

planteria

anyway, enough from me.
i need to concentrate on where to stash my ISA.
good luck, whatever happens.