Sold as seen - Is this legal?

mattyprice4004

Markb06 wrote: »

I never once said I expected a perfect car nor did I say it should be void of faults. I was asking a question is all.

I accept it will have issues and I am having repairs done next week on it.

The issue you're having repaired next week is the cambelt, isn't it? That's a service item, not an issue with the car.

Markb06

mattyprice4004 wrote: »

The issue you're having repaired next week is the cambelt, isn't it? That's a service item, not an issue with the car.

No the cambelt is a given on most second hand cars unless there is paperwork to show its been done.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Markb06 wrote: »

No the cambelt is a given on most second hand cars unless there is paperwork to show its been done.

even then it may only be the belt done not the tensioners and water pump if cam driven.
always replace with a kit and water pump even if new paper work shows new belt unless they seller con prove these were done many garage receipts will not accurately show what work has been done other than supply and fit new belt.

Markb06

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

even then it may only be the belt done not the tensioners and water pump if cam driven.
always replace with a kit and water pump even if new paper work shows new belt unless they seller con prove these were done many garage receipts will not accurately show what work has been done other than supply and fit new belt.

Yeah. I think I read most of the time its the tensioners that go that in turns messes up the belt.

But I will be getting the belt, pump and tensioners done next week.

specialboy

arcon5 wrote: »

Rubbish! Wear and tear isn't covered by the SOGA. It also considers 'price' and 'description'. And a car described as a gazillion years old would fact in - a spring snapping for an old, used, worn car would be wear and tear unless the dealer advertised it as having 'new' springs.

Its not rubbish at all, wear and tear might not be covered my soga but the vehicle must still be fit for purpose for a reasonable amount of time and being roadworthy for only 2 days is certainly not a reasonable amount of time.

Markb06

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

lol, I thought I had typed, road speed sensor oops.


1 thing to remember if you are to do this road speed sensor yourself, is DO NOT break that retaining pin holding it in I did on a 2004 model 1.6 zetec se a 15 min job turned in to hard work and cut knuckles it was well seized in there, and in the end it was drilled out, then I had to tap some threads into the pin hole and use a grub screw as a replacement retaining pin, it worked well and cost me nothing as I had a few of those laying in box in my tool chest. Now I know to put a load of wd40 and leave it over night to soak in and it usually popes out with a good set of maul grips and a steady twist and pull motion.

I will be soaking it for a week in WD40 I have heard all about those bloody pins lol

arcon5

specialboy wrote: »

Its not rubbish at all, wear and tear might not be covered my soga but the vehicle must still be fit for purpose for a reasonable amount of time and being roadworthy for only 2 days is certainly not a reasonable amount of time.

Based on this logic - if a car was sold on every month or so then it should never ever break down or need any form of repair!

And with regards to reasonable amount of time - if a person buys a 10 year old car with 70k miles on the clock and the clutch goes a month later - the clutch hasn't only lasted a month, it's lasted 10 years!! That's reasonable in most peoples mind! (well, nearly most peoples)

specialboy

arcon5 wrote: »

Based on this logic - if a car was sold on every month or so then it should never ever break down or need any form of repair!

And with regards to reasonable amount of time - if a person buys a 10 year old car with 70k miles on the clock and the clutch goes a month later - the clutch hasn't only lasted a month, it's lasted 10 years!! That's reasonable in most peoples mind! (well, nearly most peoples)

A dealer might be able to argue that a clutch going after a month was fair wear and tear for a cheap run around but not for a broken spring after 2 days unless they can prove that the buyer has been off roading in it. Second hand cars must be fit for purpose, not just fit enough to get home.

arcon5

specialboy wrote: »

A dealer might be able to argue that a clutch going after a month was fair wear and tear for a cheap run around but not for a broken spring after 2 days unless they can prove that the buyer has been off roading in it. Second hand cars must be fit for purpose, not just fit enough to get home.

Get real, a spring is more of a consumable than a clutch. At least with a clutch there are early failure signs, a spring can by their very nature snap at any time. If it was advertised as having new springs or the car was reasonably new then the buyer may have a case, otherwise a lot of things wear. It's one of the perils of buying old used motors!

Buying a car doesn't just mean you pay your money then that's it, they are machines which require a constant feed of cash, older they are the more cash required to keep them going.

specialboy

arcon, I'd love to sell you a car as you are an obviously target to get turned over. Just because someone is only paying a few hundred pounds for the car it still must be fit for purpose for a reasonable amount of time, 2 days isn't a reasonable amount of time. You still have rights with second hand goods although I will grant you 'reasonable amount of time' is questionable after say a month but not after 2 days.