Stealing gas and electricity

lstar337

molerat wrote: »

To stop them it will take digging holes in the road and physically cutting the supply off away from the premises.

Going by the information presented in the programme, even this wouldn't stop all of them!

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lstar337 wrote: »

Going by the information presented in the programme, even this wouldn't stop all of them!

What about an electronic small smart meter attached to the incoming mains where people could nt get at them, so the useage in should match the customers meter or is that a bit fanciful ?

chanz4

There will always be away, Im aware of tamper routes already on the smart meters which Im not going to disclose. No matter how this is worded, theft is theft and stolen energy will be recovered from one person.

YOU!

lstar337

sacsquacco wrote: »

What about an electronic small smart meter attached to the incoming mains where people could nt get at them, so the useage in should match the customers meter or is that a bit fanciful ?

Would stop a few more wouldn't it.

Maybe the solution is a meter that is not accessible to the public at all. Those on smarts need never see it, and those not on smarts can just have a wireless display so they can send in their usage.

But given how the programme showed people willing to dig up the street to patch on new un-metered supplies (hopefully this is an extreme case that doesn't happen often), surely they would just connect before the meters there too?

It would probably stop most I guess, just not the most determined.

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lstar337 wrote: »

Would stop a few more wouldn't it.

Maybe the solution is a meter that is not accessible to the public at all. Those on smarts need never see it, and those not on smarts can just have a wireless display so they can send in their usage.

But given how the programme showed people willing to dig up the street to patch on new un-metered supplies (hopefully this is an extreme case that doesn't happen often), surely they would just connect before the meters there too?

It would probably stop most I guess, just not the most determined.

A very telling statistic, which the program revealed, was the street in Sheffield, Dundas Rd, where the gas escape blew the house up,was that on a brief survey of approx 20 houses in that same street, 5 were bypassing gas and 2 the electric meters. Thats the scale in some streets in certain areas. I work in these sorts of areas a lot and I also work in respectable affluent towns like, Howden in East Yorks where in all the years I ve worked there I have only found 1 bypass, and that was a transient flat dweller.

ChumpusRex

I_have_spoken wrote: »

Before we get all out of shape, let's not forget that transmissions loses in the national grid and local distribution network is about 10% of generated power, all going to heat up the air.

True. However, transmission losses include theft.

Estimates from the DNOs is that approx 5% is unavoidable system inefficiency (heating of wires, transformers, etc.) about 1%,mis-estimation of street light usage (Street lights aren't metered and all bills are estimated) and about 2-3% theft.

Theft is widely variable. In some areas, the substation "exit" meter can clock up 4x-5x the number of units recorded by totalling up all the individual meters connected to it, suggesting that 75 - 80%,of power delivered is bring stolen.

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ChumpusRex wrote: »

True. However, transmission losses include theft.

Estimates from the DNOs is that approx 5% is unavoidable system inefficiency (heating of wires, transformers, etc.) about 1%,mis-estimation of street light usage (Street lights aren't metered and all bills are estimated) and about 2-3% theft.

Theft is widely variable. In some areas, the substation "exit" meter can clock up 4x-5x the number of units recorded by totalling up all the individual meters connected to it, suggesting that 75 - 80%,of power delivered is bring stolen.

If thats the case, 75-80% missing energy,.. its time the Government stepped in and got rid of OFGEM for good. Its not acceptable that this level of theft is sustained. I see OFGEM are coming out with a new directive to suppliers in Feb 2014 to combat energy theft, like they did in 2013

Ich_2

We were saying

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-25848912

Oh and that is the specific crime Abstraction of Electricity

C_Mababejive

Gas and electric theft is rampant in many of those grotty curry/kebab/chinese/pizza shops that now infest every high street in Britain. There is so much competition that in many cases, fiddling energy is the only way to make money in the shop. They trade on a certain section of the British public who are content to eat sh!te from a cockroach infested slum. Thats why there are so many of them. All staffed by bed sharing illegal migrant workers and illegal immigrants ducking and diving. They are a symptom of the degradation of British society.

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C_Mababejive wrote: »

Gas and electric theft is rampant in many of those grotty curry/kebab/chinese/pizza shops that now infest every high street in Britain. There is so much competition that in many cases, fiddling energy is the only way to make money in the shop. They trade on a certain section of the British public who are content to eat sh!te from a cockroach infested slum. Thats why there are so many of them. All staffed by bed sharing illegal migrant workers and illegal immigrants ducking and diving. They are a symptom of the degradation of British society.

As Timbo58 also inferred, if they are happy to steal energy, what sort of establishment are they running ?
What I hear from both the Police and the RPU people is that prosecutions fail because they have too many get-outs. In the "inside out " prog the RPU man asked the fast food owner " were you aware that the meter had been tampered with " Of course the answer was "no " and that was the end of the escapade and he was promptly rebilled, after refusing the cheeky request for a discount.
I would like to see that same question asked by the prosecution solicitor/or Magistrate and let him decide if he speaks the truth, not the RPU man. In the past we saw energy fiddlers all the time in the local news. I have never seen one yet pass through Doncaster Law Courts in the last 8 years, and the Doncaster Free Press report everything which go s through the courts
RPU people run their own business within a business and have their own turnover/profit to consider which prefers to keep the expensive lawyers out of the game if possible, so energy theft just gets worse and worse