Where are all the Romulans and Bulgarians?

danothy

The ONS statistics released today are employment numbers, not migration numbers. All the numbers released today show is that some thousands fewer Romanians and Bulgarians are working here, not how many came or are still here. The UKIP twitter feed has been directly relating the former to the latter today, unsurprisingly.

N1AK

danothy wrote: »

The UKIP twitter feed has been directly relating the former to the latter today, unsurprisingly.

Would you expect any less it's almost impressive how they're so blinkered they'll even try and distort a sign of lower immigration into a bad thing about immigration rather than say anything moderate about "foreigns".

danothy

N1AK wrote: »

Would you expect any less it's almost impressive how they're so blinkered they'll even try and distort a sign of lower immigration into a bad thing about immigration rather than say anything moderate about "foreigns".

To be fair this is my test week following them on twitter to measure the entertainment value compared to the disgust.

Also, just on a technical point, there is an overall increase in the non-UK demographic finding employment in the numbers, so not evidence for lower immigration as such just not the Romanian/Bulgarian subset finding work. I'm sure the numbers of non-UK people employed is related to flow of people, but the assertions UKIP and associates are making would mean that several thousands of ex-pats also returned to the UK in the same period and took up work due to the direct analogy they are implying.

Either way, I find their outburst on the matter disingenuous as the premises that immigration and therefore the 9% to 15% of employment positions held by the non-UK demographic in the UK is inherently a bad thing, that the UK population has some sort of birthright to the labour market rather than earning jobs on merit, or the subtle implication that there are a fixed number of jobs in the economy being "taken" by others (or why would an anti-immigration group whine about positive employment figures) are all bunk in my opinion. It's clearly an excuse to mouth off, but not a good one.

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

the article says:

there are 140,000 working in the UK
that is 29,000 more than a year ago
but 4,000 less than in Jan 2014


that shows (please tick which one(s) you consider to be the right answer)

- that there are no Romanian is UK
or
-there hasn't been any restriction on them coming for many years
or
-the figures are fixed

I'd say the second.

To answer the question, many of the Romanians and Bulgarians are in South Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Italy, although far greater numbers are in Romania and Bulgaria.

Remember, that where they have settled, is where they have settled for a number of years before, not in the UK.

Romania has historic links to Northern Italy, as much as the language in many times is virtually interchangable.

CK

Masomnia

There are a few aspects to this.

Firstly I don't think the statistics are accurate enough to say that a 29,000 change has happened. The ONS do a good job with what they have, but I don't think that's a big enough change to say with certainty due to sample sizes.

Second, a lot of it was all tabloid hype anyway that a lot of people willingly fell for.

Thirdly, there were restrictions. But they were not that strict. A young Bulgarian lady of my acquaintance has been here five years, a good friend of hers a similar amount of time. Her parents moved over shortly after. If people really wanted to come here it was possible before this year. Those who were really keen to be here are here already.

sabretoothtigger

Just so long as we dont get any klingons I dont think its a problem

cepheus

It's not the Romulans off the starboard bow, but the wheeling dealing Ferengi I worry about. The people who run the financial world and parasitise the economy who are already here.

CLAPTON

cepheus wrote: »

It's not the Romulans off the starboard bow, but the wheeling dealing Ferengi I worry about. The people who run the financial world and parasitise the economy who are already here.

spot on

you have correctly identified why all those Romanians, Bulgarians, Polish, Africans, Indians, Pakistani have absolutely refused to come here, as their unbanked, non-parasitical economy is so much better than our own miserable poverty stricken collapsing mess.

dealer_wins

The question is will we finally see immigration from Romania and Bulgaria slow and even stop when there are no men left to impregnate their women and produce more immigrants to suckle on the UK's benefit gravy train

Generali

dealer_wins wrote: »

The question is will we finally see immigration from Romania and Bulgaria slow and even stop when there are no men left to impregnate their women and produce more immigrants to suckle on the UK's benefit gravy train

According to the data, immigration from these countries has already gone into reverse.

Generali: proving racists wrong since 2006.