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Where are all the Romulans and Bulgarians?
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To be honest the level of net immigration has barely changed since the avalanche under Labour, does it really matter whether they are Romanian or Bulgarian?
many of us just treated it as a bit of harmless fun: silly politicians being caught being even sillier than usual.
the serious point is whether or not one views the overall level and type of immigration as being a good or bad or neutral thing0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »The fundamental problem is not whether Romulans, Bulgarians, or anyone else from the EU is coming in droves, it's the fact that they could, whether we need them or not.
You may think that but I don't think it's an argument that's really used by anyone. I think most people are much more interested in reality than currently farfetched (you could quite rightly argue that some unforeseen event could cause sudden mass-migration) hypothetical possibilities with things like this.
And of course there are plenty that think that your "problem" is actually a benefit. Many of the something like 2 million Brits living elsewhere in the EU are probably quite fond of it.0 -
callum9999 wrote: »You may think that but I don't think it's an argument that's really used by anyone. I think most people are much more interested in reality than currently farfetched (you could quite rightly argue that some unforeseen event could cause sudden mass-migration) hypothetical possibilities with things like this.
And of course there are plenty that think that your "problem" is actually a benefit. Many of the something like 2 million Brits living elsewhere in the EU are probably quite fond of it.
What on earth makes you think it's not an argument used by anyone ? It's half the reason that UKIP are so popular. Although the left has always played the racist card to try to counter it, the bottom line is that no self-respecting so-called democracy should relinquish control over who it let's into its country, let alone grants the right to settle. The only argument against that, albeit a pathetically inadequate one, is the one you raise. But that's not washing with millions who are seeing an already overcrowded country become more so, public servics and infrastructure more and more stretched, and jobs going to immigrants while we have substantial unemployment. For decades successive governments have thrust mass immigration down the UK population's throats whether they like it or not. For years they tried to make anyone who questions it feel guilty as a closet racist/xenophobe/backward thinking cretin. The worm is at last turning, and the political establishment doesn't like it one little bit.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
I have to admit Farage has a point about being concerned about who moves in next door. I'm due to have some new neighbours, what happens if they are UKIP supporters?0
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Must be a lot concerned then, if they're going to poll 30% on Thursday as we're led to believe.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
he bottom line is that no self-respecting so-called democracy should relinquish control over who it let's into its country, let alone grants the right to settle.
Thats because we are in the EU, people should vote to leave if they see no benefit from this free association we have with the continent. It probably does bring us alot of trade though and as pointed out, we arent really suffering an invasion ?
Im not really pro EU because of all the laws they churn out but its a good idea to trade freely in general.
People are a form of labour capital that is required by an economy, is it ok if they come here to pay taxes to this government instead of another country in the EU.
I guess we'd be paying for some bailout in any case so if some EU country is struggling and so they might as well come to work0 -
sabretoothtigger wrote: »Thats because we are in the EU, people should vote to leave if they see no benefit from this free association we have with the continent. It probably does bring us alot of trade though and as pointed out, we arent really suffering an invasion ?
Im not really pro EU because of all the laws they churn out but its a good idea to trade freely in general.
People are a form of labour capital that is required by an economy, is it ok if they come here to pay taxes to this government instead of another country in the EU.
I guess we'd be paying for some bailout in any case so if some EU country is struggling and so they might as well come to work
what would you call an invasion?
500,000 a year for 10 years?0 -
will they all stay, does depend but thats alot yea0
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The sad fact is that even during the labour years 2/3rds of immigration was from outside the EU and it does not get mentioned. Surprisingly those very same immigrant people have a tendency to vote labour!
It never was and never is all about the EU.0 -
sabretoothtigger wrote: »will they all stay, does depend but thats alot yea
The current boom in places for infant school (Due to immigrants) suggests at least a medium term intention to stay.0
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