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The Parking Prankster Guide to Fighting a ParkingEye Court Claim

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  • spacey2012
    spacey2012 Posts: 5,836 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    What I would ask Mr Prankster is you build in a section for the defence about admissible evidence of non VCS approved ANPR devices and non compliant timing of evidence, as a extra defence paragraph.

    The Other forum "debating group" shoot down anything new, like they did the points raised on right to audience until someone decided to stick it in anyway and Low and behold the judge threw the parking companies "litigant in person" out of the court in 30 seconds flat once a challenge was raised.
    Calling in to question the foundation evidence can only really be done if defendants have not already admitted been at the site and given away the defence.

    I am of the point, they only need it pulling once and they are dead in the water.
    It can not hurt tagged on to the end of a defence.

    Local councils have had cases thrown out for failure to adhere to practices of evidence on ANPR and the VCS approved device are seen as the approved version of ANPR timing stamping.
    Be happy...;)
  • halibut2209
    halibut2209 Posts: 4,250 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    edited 12 January 2014 at 8:07PM
    Stroma wrote: »
    Perhaps he should fund this by charging for each time he helps? Like bailiffadviceonline does? Ask the person running parking cowboys website how much they get in donations, I would bet its a pittance! Even pepipoo asks for donations. The point though is that it's all optional including this ebook.

    I would take issue with the comparison to bailiffadviceonline. Comparing PPCs to Bailiffs gives the PPC an air of authority - something we strive to show is false.

    And yes, PePiPoo ask for donations. I don't have an issue with that.

    I don't have an "issue" with charging for the guide. As I say, something just irks me about it. I appreciate all the time that anyone spends in outing these scammers. But something seems amiss when money starts changing hands. The guide is done. There is no further cost. To coin a phrase, what is the GPEOL for getting help? So, yes if the PP has actual costs for attending a hearing then it's fair for the person he's helping to cover that. But in the whole PPC racket, advice should be free (with the option to donate of course)

    EDIT: Also, lots of people sent in stuff to help accumulate this guide (judging from the blog posts asking for letters etc). Do they get recompensed?
    One important thing to remember is that when you get to the end of this sentence, you'll realise it's just my sig.
  • Stroma
    Stroma Posts: 7,971 Forumite
    Uniform Washer
    It's not a comparison to bailiffs to ppcs , tell me where I've indicated that? All I said that BAO charges a tenner for help, which could be available for free on this website and cag, but Sheila has advice that helps, the same as prankster.

    I'm saying is the alternative is either going all through this website and pepipoo for help, or getting most of the basics collated in one place. And I contend that everything must be free, using your analogy once an author has written a book there is no ongoing costs, so every book must be free.

    It's up to people what they do, how much do they value their time? If they have an abundance of it then they can research as much as they like, they are not forced to buy this. And it's against mse rules to say that they must do so.
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    :beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:
  • halibut2209
    halibut2209 Posts: 4,250 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    Please don't start using a strawman argument. You did compare Bailiffs to PPCs as you brought up charging something for advice against a bailiff and charging something for advice against a PPC. Bailiffs have legal standing. PPCs don't. And to compare the two, as I said, gives PPCs a false appearance of authority.

    And of course every book shouldn't be free. That's not what I'm saying at all. That's the strawman. If PP wants to charge for his guide, then that's his business. What I am saying is that it's not in spirit with all the other advice given on this forum. Charging someone to read a work of fiction for pleasure purposes is one thing. Charging someone for advice on refuting an unlawful "charge" is completely different and incomparable.
    One important thing to remember is that when you get to the end of this sentence, you'll realise it's just my sig.
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad_2
    kirkbyinfurnesslad_2 Posts: 2,340 Forumite
    edited 12 January 2014 at 8:52PM
    And who actually pulls their finger out, takes time out and actually appears in court to help people....... Also there is so much advice given of the boards !

    So why shouldn't pp get some help towards costs...

    Unless of course other people want to simply donate for those who help in court?
    Proud to be a member of the Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Gang.:D:T
  • Stroma
    Stroma Posts: 7,971 Forumite
    Uniform Washer
    Strawman argument ?

    I have not compared a ppc to bailiff at all, so stop putting in assumptions that is utter rubbish!!!! As for legal standing, if you have a judgement against you then that is legal issue!

    I brought up charging for advice because there is a comparison to be had from this ebook, pepipoo and parking cowboys asking for donations and BAO simply charging for it! All offer free advice as well on their various topics!

    As for the legal standing of tickets, it's perfectly legal to issue invoices, it's not until it's proven in a court that it is actually unlawful, popla doesn't even make that distinction, they tell parking companies to cancel charges simply because the ppcs have signed up to abide that, they don't make determinations on whether an invoice is unlawful.
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    :beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:
  • 4consumerrights
    4consumerrights Posts: 2,002 Forumite
    halibut2209 wrote: »
    I think it's a shame you are charging for advice when people here offer it for free

    Halibut2209 -have you actually read either of the booklets yet?

    Prankster has done two books, only one is is requesting the nominal charge for - this details the actual court transcripts which would have obviously cost something to obtain and how to make a without prejudice settlement offer.

    The second book is FREE just like the advice on the forums and actually contains all the legal arguments you need to win the court case and includes the cases reference numbers.

    Whilst I haven't downloaded the first book, I have read the free version and will be making a review to give to Prankster later.
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad_2
    kirkbyinfurnesslad_2 Posts: 2,340 Forumite
    4cr u should purchase it. It's a very good read
    Proud to be a member of the Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Gang.:D:T
  • 4consumerrights
    4consumerrights Posts: 2,002 Forumite
    kirkbyinfurnesslad wrote: »
    4cr u should purchase it. It's a very good read

    No doubt I will KIFL - give me a chance!:D

    I'm sure it's worth the price of cup of coffee and by the way Redx - I like coffee!


    @ Stroma - nice to see you back again after a few days being absent! - You were mentioned in Martin's weekly email!
  • Stroma
    Stroma Posts: 7,971 Forumite
    Uniform Washer
    4consumerrights wrote: »
    @ Stroma - nice to see you back again after a few days being absent! - You were mentioned in Martin's weekly email!

    Really was I ? :) been off because I had an accident at home, went to a&e twice, and even managed to pick up a parking ticket from Vinci lol
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
    :beer: Anti Enforcement Hobbyist Member :beer:
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