MSE News: Thousands of tenants to get bedroom tax rebate

nannytone_2

so because neither are in a position to do anything about the situation, the obvious answer is to punish them both?

Indie_Kid

custardy wrote: »

Looking in Edinburgh I see plenty of one beds under the LHA in private lets
So if there's a shortage,why are they free?

Not everyone lives in Edinburgh. There's a shortage elsewhere though.

custardy

sh1305 wrote: »

Not everyone lives in Edinburgh. There's a shortage elsewhere though.

Right,but this is a national policy isnt it?
I have asked nannytone to quantify what the state should be doing for blind people(as she says they dont do enough)
yes she can really give an answer

sniggings

bloolagoon wrote: »

More the word tax payers should have been inserted

if the aim is to save money, this is about the worse way to do it, the amount of appeals and all the work local councils have to do on this, the cost of peole not even trying for social housing and going straight for the private sector even tho it costs the tax payer more, because they don't want to be caught with this tax...scapping the marrige tax allowance that will see milliares getting another £200 a year would save more than this, that is costing the tax payer £600 million and has zero affect on raising the standards of society, a total waste of £600 million.

Indie_Kid

custardy wrote: »

Right,but this is a national policy isnt it?
I have asked nannytone to quantify what the state should be doing for blind people(as she says they dont do enough)
yes she can really give an answer

My situation is slightly different to nannytone's (I am not blind, although I have little corrected vision in one eye and partial vision in the other) and have found that enough isn't being done for sight impaired people. Despite being told I am entitled to help from social services, I was never given any really, I was given a total of one hour's cane training and was advised (or rather, my parents were) to paint the steps outside the house so I could see the edge of them.

I have received no other help from social services regarding my sight impairment. This is despite being told I am entitled to help.

More needs to be done to enable us to live independently and be able to take part in social activities.

nannytone_2

i bever said the state dont do enough ( i am just fine, but i live in one of the best county's for social service funding, and am sure than many blind people get very little help)
i am pointing out that blind ( and people with many other disabilities) are not in the position to just up and move to a new area.
most of the help i receive is not funded by the 'state.
the hekp comes from friends, neighbours and the strong community in which i live

bloolagoon

sh1305 wrote: »

Not everyone lives in Edinburgh. There's a shortage elsewhere though.

The solution until such a time we have enough money to build smaller properties is for under 35's to share larger properties. The ones they vacate will go some way to helping the shortage. The problem is that society is very different from what it used to be when they were built. Families were together more with fewer lone parents, people stayed at home until self sufficient, families cared for disabled. You can react to society with things like benefit money but it's very difficult to suddenly find the money to demolish 3 bedroom houses and build 1 bedroom houses.

Housing issue is affecting everywhere not just the uk and not just renters. First time buyers, downsizers, wannabe upsizers and others are affected. It's an unsustainable bubble that is causing misery to many no matter what their circumstances are.

bloolagoon

sniggings wrote: »

if the aim is to save money, this is about the worse way to do it, the amount of appeals and all the work local councils have to do on this, the cost of peole not even trying for social housing and going straight for the private sector even tho it costs the tax payer more, because they don't want to be caught with this tax...scapping the marrige tax allowance that will see milliares getting another £200 a year would save more than this, that is costing the tax payer £600 million and has zero affect on raising the standards of society, a total waste of £600 million.

Source to show that £600 million will be spent by millionaires gaining £200 a year?

Hint I wouldn't be eligible.

wildwestfan

I think the whole issue of who is or isn't disabled is at the centre of the issue. I think only those assessed as eligible for middle/high rate DLA or PIP or AA at either rate should be considered disabled.

Far too many people label themselves 'disabled' for fairly minor issues.

sniggings

bloolagoon wrote: »

Source to show that £600 million will be spent by millionaires gaining £200 a year?

Hint I wouldn't be eligible.

Not just them, my point was it's not even targeted, all married peple if they qualify for it will get it, a max of £200 is hardly going to keep a marriage together or convince 2 people to get married, it's affect will be zero on society but is costing £600 million, yet the bedroom tax has shown to affect more disabled people, is not making any difference to the avaiablity of social housing that can justify the cost and the savings it's making

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/10494187/Autumn-Statement-2013-How-the-married-tax-allowance-will-affect-you.html

The Tories love to use the family budget as an example, many times their example is flawed, but lets use their family budget analogy.

If you were wanting to save on the family budget would it make sense to buy the cheaper beans to save 2p but then get a taxi home instead of a bus? what the government are doing is creating real misery for thousands, which do not bring in any real savings, yet at the same time, giving a meaningless tax break of £600 million.