MSE News: Thousands of tenants to get bedroom tax rebate

regbrown

nannytone wrote: »

sjes real and very consistant.
in her defence, she honestly believes what she is saying about fairness.
she believes that by making things harder for SH tenants it is making it fairer for disabled private tenants. in a skewed way i do see her point.
but is she had a broken leg and to be fair, i broke her other leg too ...

she might realise how unjust her solution is
it is never right to vicyimise one leg because the other leg is victimised too

no, "she" (?) does seem very convinced. Alas though I have yet to find anyone else who thinks the policy of targeting the disabled is fair, even those of us who have no real problem with the idea in principle really find that repugnant.

Ah well, it comes across like someone whose connected somehow, either via the party or the DWP. I've had to phone to DWP about ESA for my family member and met equally deluded folk convinced that their ESA test was fair, even though they won their appeal

I have no doubt the majority or brits would have real issues with the implementation regarding the disabled if they dont know about it already, as luckily many do.

~Chameleon~

princessdon wrote: »

Don't let fact get in the way of a private renters bash. They all live in larger homes, more rooms than needed you know.

Nobody is bashing private renters. You really have a warped sense of perception.

nannytone_2

sorry to disappoint, but i also thought my ESA assessment was fair.
but i am blind and so have a condition that can be accurately measured and cant be disputed

~Chameleon~

regbrown wrote: »

Why do you care so much? I know several disabled folk, one guy has spare room for his exercising device which is required to train his upper body strength as he's in a wheelchair permanently. That cant go anywhere else.

Lets not make ourselves the judge of what those with disabilities need, just not punish them if they do need the space. I am kinda ashamed to even have to say this, they aren't the cause of our mess and should not be targeted in such a way, the govts own impact assessment knew full well this policy would mainly be affecting those with a disability (63% of all affected).

How you get this information and still push such a policy is beyond me. This is from someone who has no problem with the policy as an idea to free up property, but the way its been done is alas as we expected from this bunch, utterly repugnant.

Couldn't have put it better myself :T

~Chameleon~

princessdon wrote: »

It's actually very popular

Especially with private renters.

And which private renters would those be? I know people who rent privately, some of my own family do. However, not one of those is in support of the "bedroom tax" and they despise the government for what it's doing to vulnerable and disabled people.

mojos.revenge

paddedjohn wrote: »

Wow, a day and a half and 127 posts and none of the poster police have been on trying to get the thread moved to DT.


Why do the disabled always say that they need the spare room for their equipment? surely any stuff the need would be readily accessable down the stairs, in the hall, in the kitchen, bedroom etc.

I think that there are many disabled people who need to sleep alone in their own bed. A lot of rooms are not big enough for 2 single beds, so the partner needs to sleep in a room of their own.

I have a friend who's carer is her husband, they are legally separated, but have to pay for an extra room or he would still have to sleep with her, an odd set up I know but their marriage ended because of her disability, they are still very close but as friends.

It's all too personal, but we are expected to discuss our in depth embarrassing details with some desk jockey, rather than that she pays and keeps her privacy.

regbrown

nannytone wrote: »

sorry to disappoint, but i also thought my ESA assessment was fair.
but i am blind and so have a condition that can be accurately measured and cant be disputed

Ah I'm glad you didn't have that trauma to deal with. My family member has a long history of mental health issues and amazingly was found fit for work. Which is why his dad came to me as they dont have the internet and I had to research the entire darn topic and prepare his appeal.

I think the appeals success rate is high enough to show that sadly for a % the system is badly flawed and extremely unfair. The stress it put on him and his family for all those months was again utterly repugnant and his appeal took just five minutes because they actually bothered looking at his medical history.

Which is connected to the bedroom tax as it does show the disdain this bunch have for the sick and disabled...

regbrown

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

And which private renters would those be? I know people who rent privately, some of my own family do. However, not one of those is in support of the "bedroom tax" and they despise the government for what it's doing to vulnerable and disabled people.

I think they have done the old political trick of changing the goal posts to fit their deluded agenda

While many folk may be supportive of the idea in principle, I have yet to find a single person who approves of how this is implemented in regards to the disabled, and many other groups.

princessdon

nannytone wrote: »

sjes real and very consistant.
in her defence, she honestly believes what she is saying about fairness.
she believes that by making things harder for SH tenants it is making it fairer for disabled private tenants. in a skewed way i do see her point.
but is she had a broken leg and to be fair, i broke her other leg too ...

she might realise how unjust her solution is
it is never right to vicyimise one leg because the other leg is victimised too

As long as both legs had the same bows and glitter on the plaster of course, not fair if one has more glitter

But seriously how can anyone say its fair for SH tenants to have greater rights than private renters and be OK with that. I know you also think its wrong and said you campaigned when LHA was lowered to the 30% but as shown on here most people think its perfectly acceptable.

~Chameleon~

princessdon wrote: »

As long as both legs had the same bows and glitter on the plaster of course, not fair if one has more glitter

But seriously how can anyone say its fair for SH tenants to have greater rights than private renters and be OK with that. I know you also think its wrong and said you campaigned when LHA was lowered to the 30% but as shown on here most people think its perfectly acceptable.

If we want to go along your way of thinking, why is it fair that pensioners are completely excluded from this policy? Why is it OK for a single pensioner to rattle around in a 3 or 4 bed house without any financial penalty when a family in desperate need could be living there instead?