MSE News: Thousands of tenants to get bedroom tax rebate

nannytone_2

i totally agree that it isnt fair, but i fail to see how it is fairer to victimise another group.

the isseu with private renters is more complicated.
social housing is not for profit.
unless a cap is set for private rents then the landlords will just suck their tenants dry.... charging as much as the LFA rate will allow ( and more)
but instead of blaming the greedy landlords and doind something about that, you feel it is fairer to castigate SH tenants who already cost the state less.

of course they have security of tenure, and that is priceless, but it isnt their fault that the private renters cant get social housing is it?

social housing rents need to be raised and private rents need to be capped.
but in the meantime, making it fair by forcing disabled people to bear the brunt in either sector, really isnt what anyone would vall fair

sniggings

nannytone wrote: »

social housing rents need to be raised and private rents need to be capped.
but in the meantime, making it fair by forcing disabled people to bear the brunt in either sector, really isnt what anyone would vall fair

I agree with the cap on private rentals but social housing needs to be raised :eek: really? in my area they are around £90 a week for a 1 bed flat in social housing, if I should get one I will still be on tax credits as my wage will not cover the rent and living costs, so sorry I do not agree, all rents are out of control, add to that the fact that the min wage is too low, calling for social rents to go up is madness.

princessdon

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

Nobody is bashing private renters. You really have a warped sense of perception.

Really google says otherwise. Unless you can find sources that want disabled in private rentals to get the 2 bedroom rate of LHA if there is a need. Funny my google shows no results but many for scrapping of the bedroom tax.

But you can rent a 2 bedroom with garage for the 1 bedroom rate readily of course.

Whilst there is such misconceptions people will never realise how *some* in private rentals struggle. You cannot make out that they are all adequately housed with no top up payments.

princessdon

~Chameleon~ wrote: »

If we want to go along your way of thinking, why is it fair that pensioners are completely excluded from this policy? Why is it OK for a single pensioner to rattle around in a 3 or 4 bed house without any financial penalty when a family in desperate need could be living there instead?

That's my way of thinking - they absolutely should not be exempt. They have large incomes thanks to pension credit. They want to stay they pay, just because they vote doesn't make it fair that someone on JSA pays and they get double and stay. Highly unfair and not something anyone should support.

nannytone_2

i think the reason no one is calling for disabled private renters to get the 2 bed rate is because they know it is just going into the pockets of the landlords, and so the extra money isnt benefitting the disabled person ( such as a spare room in a SH property) but the landlord.
the disdain that people feel for the greedy landlords outweighs their compassion for the disabled person.
and to be honest, why should the taxpayer line the pockets of the landlords?
instead we should be building more SH properties.

~Chameleon~

princessdon wrote: »

Really google says otherwise. Unless you can find sources that want disabled in private rentals to get the 2 bedroom rate of LHA if there is a need. Funny my google shows no results but many for scrapping of the bedroom tax.

Results for what? People bashing private renters? I'm not quite sure what you're alluding to here. Perhaps give us a few examples for clarity?

~Chameleon~

princessdon wrote: »

That's my way of thinking - they absolutely should not be exempt. They have large incomes thanks to pension credit. They want to stay they pay, just because they vote doesn't make it fair that someone on JSA pays and they get double and stay. Highly unfair and not something anyone should support.

Ah, at least something we agree upon

princessdon

nannytone wrote: »

i totally agree that it isnt fair, but i fail to see how it is fairer to victimise another group.

the isseu with private renters is more complicated.
social housing is not for profit.
unless a cap is set for private rents then the landlords will just suck their tenants dry.... charging as much as the LFA rate will allow ( and more)
but instead of blaming the greedy landlords and doind something about that, you feel it is fairer to castigate SH tenants who already cost the state less.

of course they have security of tenure, and that is priceless, but it isnt their fault that the private renters cant get social housing is it?

social housing rents need to be raised and private rents need to be capped.
but in the meantime, making it fair by forcing disabled people to bear the brunt in either sector, really isnt what anyone would vall fair

Simply because (as I've said time and time again) they need to be joined up. Look at what happened when private renters took disabled children to the appeal court over needing a spare room. The LA adopted that ruling instantly.

If as a owner and so not affected (nor anyone I know or love) can see that the 2 groups need to stand united why can't others?

The only way to force this through without loopholes like the OP that only affect a tiny percentage (how many have claimed for that many years) and such a loophole will close ASAP, is to join.

Those disabled needing rooms need to join. If they did then virtually all would support. Do fight for one group and not the other really isn't the answer.

NB I say this because disabled in both groups still pay. It's only the minority of this loophole that some are exempt. The simple answer is join up on human rights and raise standards for both


But that is lunacy .....

sniggings

princessdon wrote: »

Simply because (as I've said time and time again) they need to be joined up. Look at what happened when private renters took disabled children to the appeal court over needing a spare room. The LA adopted that ruling instantly.

If as a owner and so not affected (nor anyone I know or love) can see that the 2 groups need to stand united why can't others?

The only way to force this through without loopholes like the OP that only affect a tiny percentage (how many have claimed for that many years) and such a loophole will close ASAP, is to join.

Those disabled needing rooms need to join. If they did then virtually all would support. Do fight for one group and not the other really isn't the answer.

NB I say this because disabled in both groups still pay. It's only the minority of this loophole that some are exempt. The simple answer is join up on human rights and raise standards for both


But that is lunacy .....

I think you are reading too much into the fact that some disabled people live in private rentals without a spare room, if they needed one so badly they wouldn't have moved into the one bedroom place, would they, they must be able to cope.

and if we are honest, probably most in social housing could cope with one bedroom, but that is not the point, people see the harm this is doing, without any real savings to the tax payer, yes someone can live in a one bed place but why if they could have a much better standard of living in a 2 bed place and not cost the tax payer any/much more.

fact is, once you have given something to someone, taking it away without a very justified and fair reason will always be cruel.

I wouldn't mind if we had run out of ideas to save money but it seems the tories look at the poor and disabled first, before the rich, look how concerned they got when those on over £50,000 a year got upset about loosing family allowance, they backed down and now they can get it up to £60,000 but yet we make a disabled/poor person pay for a spare bloody bedroom.

nannytone_2

it isnt that simple.
these cases have to go through court and have to be very spefic.
if you have too many people with too many differing reasons for exemption, it would just muddy the water.
look at the uproar on this forum over the disabled kiddies who needed their own room.
you say 'join up and virtually all will support?
sont you remember some of the hateful coments?
the people that are supporting these reforms arent concerned if people have disabilities or not.
they care that they claim benefit.
theyre under the impression that having a disability is a licence to print money and really get a thrill at the thought of them losing some of it