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and im happy for your kids.
but opportunity doesnt appear for everyone.
i was a single parent, who worked in excess of 60 hours a week and u couldnt afford to put my kids through university.
my kids worked and continue to work hard.
as i said ...
income doesnt equate to how hard you work.
it equates to working hard plus OPPORTUNITY
how many jobs do you think are available at the level of your children?
enough for ever kids that works hard?
of course not.
i think you have lost touch with the real worl of work.
you still need people to work in shops, to empty the bins and to clean hospitals.
they work hard and receive comparitively low pay, but someone has to do it.
and they dare to want families?
how awful. they should be sterilised as soon as they decide not to go to university!0 -
With that attitude, you have lost before you have even started!and good untiversities have a certain number of places.
usually open to public school kids before anyone else gets a look in.
I know many who have gone to top universities (Cambridge, Oxford, Warwick) from comprehensive schools.
I hope people reading your claim, don't believe that (for their childrens sake)!
and not everyone is academic. does that mean they are wqorth less?
Tradesmen can earn a lot too. If you're not an academic, then learn a trade.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
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and im happy for your kids.
but opportunity doesnt appear for everyone.
i was a single parent, who worked in excess of 60 hours a week
So was I. But once you start believing that you can't get something because (X) or can't do something because (X), then it becomes true.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
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Some mad stuff posted in this thread. Just wanted to make a couple of small observations/points of my own if I may.
How many 'A' Levels does say a binman require ? And yet without said binman the whole of society soon becomes broken. Illness and infestation everywhere and no amount of GCSE's or Degrees from "good" universities will help. This example can be replicated in many jobs that do not require good grades. So yes it is very important to stick in a school. But it is not a guarantee of anything.
Does the cleaner really not work as hard as the CEO ?
My next point is about all this resentment of where tax money goes and how people should wait until they are secure and earning xyz before having children. Now it is a sentiment I actually agree with BUT you do know the main reason we import migrant labor from the EU and further afield ? Because we as a nation are not producing enough children. Their is a pension time bomb and it would have burst by now if we didn't use migrant labor to plug the gap. So we should actually as a country be encouraging breeding rather than discouraging it. This does not even look at the who is going to look after us when we are old question.
So please think on when you feel that low paid workers are not hard working.0 -
bloolagoon wrote: »It is for those without a degree in today's economy. Also you are only a few years older than me with grand children my children's age, so I'm assuming your children had children young.
All considered its a good wage. A junior doctor only earns £22.5 PA.
the above answer was to missmoneypenny.
all i am trying to point out is that not everyone can be a manager or a boss, with the high salaries that go with the job positions.
i had 2 kids at 20 and provided for them without benefit. i was never ambitious and never wanted a career... but i alwats provided.
my daughter is 30, with a 8 year old and a 1 year old.
my son is 33 with a 5 year old.
young by some standards, but not by others.
mu sons wife is an accountant and earns almost double my daughters household income on her own, but my son also works full time.
she started put working the the JC+ and wualified through nightschool, which they funded themselves.
they are no more hardworking than most young parents though just fortunate enough to have the academic ability to further herself.
btw, my daughter is also attending nightschool and gaining her accountancy exams ..... and theyre bl00dy expensive.. and shes funding them with no taxpayer help0 -
BUT you do know the main reason we import migrant labor from the EU and further afield ? Because we as a nation are not producing enough children. Their is a pension time bomb and it would have burst by now if we didn't use migrant labor to plug the gap. So we should actually as a country be encouraging breeding rather than discouraging it. This does not even look at the who is going to look after us when we are old question.
We don't "import" migrants (unless they are entering under our Shortgages List): they come to the UK in search of a better life. So the UK government have been very active at closing many of the UK visa settlement routes over the last few years and put a cap or 'graduate jobs only' in place for other routes. This is all being done to try to reduce the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that settle in the UK every year, back to just the tens of thousands per year we had in the 90s. Services, housing, NHS, jobs, schools, welfare etc, can't cope with the high numbers.
Have you missed the news where the government is trying to stop EU migrants claiming benefits as soon as they arrive or if they can't speak English? Or how they are wanting to stop EU free movement/limit the numbers from the EU too? Or how they have amended the EU Singh route in January 2014 and have already amended the Chen and Zambruno (sp) and McCarthy routes to the UK too and now stopped them being a route to UK citizenship? Or the new immigration rules that came in in 2012? Or the new immigration rules that come out in April 2014, part of which is to protect the NHS? Or the new English language requirements? etc
There are however, new visa routes created for those who will invest in the UK/ create jobs.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
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i am almost 50, and things have changed an awful lot since i was at school, and also in the time since my children left school.
the fact that my children did 'desk' jobs was a step up[.
ot has to do with expectations.
where i am from ( a deprived area of east longon) it wasnt cuturally usual to aspire to anything apart from a full time job!
not an excuse... just an explanation.
the fact that tony blair strove for 50% university entrance has devalued a degree anyway. many 'experts' now say that school leavers should gain experience and forget a degree as mostg jobd require experience, but few require a degree in some micky mouse subject0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »We don't "import" migrants (unless they are entering under our Shortgages List): they choose to come to the UK in search of a better life. There have been massive closures of many UK visa settlement routes over the last few years and a cap put in place for other routes, to try to reduce the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that arrive in the UK every year, back to just the tens of thousands per year we had in the 90s. Services, housing, NHS, jobs, schools, welfare etc, can't cope with the high numbers.
Have you missed the news where the government is trying to stop EU migrants claiming benefits as soon as they arrive or if they can't speak English? Or how they are wanting to stop EU free movement/limit the numbers from the EU too? Or how they have amended the EU Singh route in January 2014 and have already amended the Chen and Zambruno (sp) and McCarthy routes to the UK too and now stopped them being a route to UK citizenship? Or the new immigration rules that come out in April 2014, part of which is to protect the NHS?
There are however, new visa routes created for those who will invest in the UK/ create jobs.
Ok we do not import them but we have actively opened our doors to them (not something i disagree with). The fact that the current (Well the conservative part) of the government are actually saying that they want to stop the free movement of the next generation of immigration is just soundbites. They know that this is part and parcel of being an EU member and there is not any of the "Big two parties" who really support withdrawing from the EU.
But you have answered my original points/post like a politician would which has actually made me smile. The point was we have a policy of encouraging immigration because of our own current and looming pension crisis created by the fact that UK people are not having enough children to cope with our ever ageing population. We can mess around all day and night about what the parties say publicly but when it comes down to it we Need immigration or the system would already be in tatters.
*Disclaimer - I still think immigration is like putting a sticking plaster over a wound requiring surgery.....but that is another argument.0 -
where i am from ( a deprived area of east longon) it wasnt cuturally usual to aspire to anything apart from a full time job!
not an excuse... just an explanation.
I'm glad it's not an excuse as my family are from deprived areas of east London too and have been for a few hundred years. Many of my (vast) extended family, still live in those areas.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
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Ok we do not import them but we have actively opened our doors to them (not something i disagree with). The fact that the current (Well the conservative part) of the government are actually saying that they want to stop the free movement of the next generation of immigration is just soundbites. They know that this is part and parcel of being an EU member and there is not any of the "Big two parties" who really support withdrawing from the EU.
But you have answered my original points/post like a politician would which has actually made me smile. The point was we have a policy of encouraging immigration because of our own current and looming pension crisis created by the fact that UK people are not having enough children to cope with our ever ageing population. We can mess around all day and night about what the parties say publicly but when it comes down to it we Need immigration or the system would already be in tatters.
*Disclaimer - I still think immigration is like putting a sticking plaster over a wound requiring surgery.....but that is another argument.
Has it even occured to you that even these migrants and all the children that you say we need to pay pensions, will want those pensions that you keep mentioning, too? Then what? Remember this is just a tiny island. A better way for pensions, is to save for a pension, but to do that we need to drive wages up by reducung the supply of workers for each low paid job.
Firms can get away with paying NMW when there are many applicancts to fill each job. Able bodied people can get away with not working many hours per week, when there are benefits to make up their wages. They are two side of the same coin.
The open door immigration policy/lowering of the standard for the immigration rules over the last decade by the last Labour government, was to import more Labour voters to England. If Scotland left the union, it would have been the end of the Labour party.
All countries need the highly skilled immigrants that will fill the 'job shortages list'/who will create jobs/ or invest money in the country.
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