PLEASE HELP!! PPC for No Permit

starstruck13

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Does it though? THIS IS IMPORTANT! Show us the sign please. I am a bit concerned to get this bit perfect because there isn't much else yet in that POPLA appeal draft and you will need to add a paragraph about signage and about no grace period given. And if the sign does NOT read the same way as above, I think you will need a bit more advice to strengthen the wording generally. Is there a sign at the entrance, specifically?

A final thing which may give you another appeal point! Compare the NTO to paragraph 8 of the POFA2012 link, fairly near the top of the advice I give in the NEWBIES sticky thread. You need to check they have every word they should do - I doubt it!! It's easier than it sounds because paragraph 8 is in bullet points and they have to have that wording and use the word 'creditor' to identify themselves on that NTO letter. Is it not called a Notice to KEEPER?

Have a good look and show us the sign as well. We want to help you win.

I have put the sign up on #31

4consumerrights

Can you scan up the back also please?

The front is also a bit blury - those photos are dreadful - is the original clearer?

starstruck13

4consumerrights wrote: »

Can you post up your notice to keeper please - redacting personal info.

The signage is quite craftily worded just saying NOT nothing about a breach or failure to comply or that it is a contractual charge - they have no right though to issue a parking charge for not displaying a valid tax disc!

You have identified yourself as both the keeper and driver - although as it is where you live - this is probably obvious anyway. You could include a paragraph regarding the fact that there is a fully paid permit for this vehicle and for parking as per your legal right to peaceful enjoyment of the property and therefore no loss was incurred (see their rejection letter - point 1!) - you were also not in a bay but unloading - the sign does not say you can't unload!

I have put up the Notice to Keeper in #59

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starstruck13

4consumerrights wrote: »

Can you scan up the back also please?

The front is also a bit blury - those photos are dreadful - is the original clearer?

sorry i know its a bad copy, the original is not so blurry but the photos are just as bad in the original, I used tinypic to upload photos on here but it will not upload a document for me.

Sorted it!! Better copy below>>>

starstruck13

4consumerrights wrote: »

Can you scan up the back also please?

The front is also a bit blury - those photos are dreadful - is the original clearer?

The photos of the vehicle are as seen in the picture really dark, you actually couldnt see if there was a permit or not going by the photos.

starstruck13

Here is the back of the NTK


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starstruck13

Coupon-mad wrote: »

A final thing which may give you another appeal point! Compare the NTO to paragraph 8 of the POFA2012 link, fairly near the top of the advice I give in the NEWBIES sticky thread. You need to check they have every word they should do - I doubt it!! It's easier than it sounds because paragraph 8 is in bullet points and they have to have that wording and use the word 'creditor' to identify themselves on that NTO letter. Is it not called a Notice to KEEPER?

the PPC refer to it as a Notice to Keeper on the top blue box

I have checked it against the POFA2012, and it seems to have all it needs EXCEPT it does not mention CREDITOR anywhere on it.

It does however, mention breaching the terms of parking but the signs do not

I hope this makes sense.

Thanks

starstruck13

Heres a better copy of the NTK[IMG]http://[/img]

Coupon-mad

starstruck13 wrote: »

the PPC refer to it as a Notice to Keeper on the top blue box

I have checked it against the POFA2012, and it seems to have all it needs EXCEPT it does not mention CREDITOR anywhere on it.

It does however, mention breaching the terms of parking but the signs do not

I hope this makes sense.

Thanks

I agree with what you've found so far but this needs a strong POPLA appeal so let us look for longer and help you.

Is this True??? So do they have a contract??

Wow...I am surprised you are asking. OF COURSE they have a site agreement or contract or they would be there unlawfully! It will be pants though!

Now please promise us you will NOT rush your POPLA appeal as we need to consider all this info over the weekend.

As you have now seen, the sign does NOT say 'breach' but the letter does (we had a case like that and it lost at POPLA and is now being complained about to POPLA) so we need to make sure yours wins. Give us time please - when is your POPLA code expiry (check the NEWBIES read these FAQs first! sticky thread please at the top of the forum, and find the POPLA code checker on post #3).

Is there a clear sign at the ENTRANCE to this car park as you drive in? If not, can you get a good evidence photo of the lack of signs there and at other spots in the car park? Post them too!

starstruck13

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Give us time please - when is your POPLA code expiry (check the NEWBIES read these FAQs first! sticky thread please at the top of the forum, and find the POPLA code checker on post #3).

Is there a clear sign at the ENTRANCE to this car park as you drive in? If not, can you get a good evidence photo of the lack of signs there and at other spots in the car park? Post them too!

Thank you for all your help.

Ive checked my POPLA code and I have up until 2 March 2014 to submit my appeal.

There are no actual signs at the entrance however, there are signs once inside the car park. I will take photos and post them later on.