Please sign the petition - starved puppies to death

j.e.j.

It is a bit stupid to not bother to enforce things, be it the dog licence or the banning of certain individuals from owning a pet.

I've been trying to find out what other European countries do and how (or if?) they counteract these kinds of problems. Google hasn't thrown up much information. Anyone know if they have dog licences in other countries, or was it since joining Europe that we got rid of ours?

ameliarate

It is neither being dramatic or emotional to care about the welfare of animals. I worry about those who don't quite frankly. What kind of people are we if we are completely oblivious to the pain and suffering of any creature?

supersaver2

j.e.j. wrote: »

There's no need for the emotive language. It goes without saying a dog would feel pain and suffer. I think the laws regarding dog ownership in this country urgently need to be re-thought.

Far too many times do people get hold of dogs who have no clue as to how to handle them. Other times it's pure wilful neglect or cruelty. It usually ends up hitting the headlines when a dog has gone berserk and mauled someone to death, - again, no penalty for the owners because legally they've done nothing wrong.

It's far too easy for clueless eejits to own a dog, imo. They need to tighten up the dog licencing and introduce tougher penalties for owners whose dogs bite and kill people, or who have wilfully neglected the animal.

What emotive language did I use just out of interest?

Not sure what the rest of your post has to do with adults starving 8 puppies until they died and getting off very lightly from our justice system.

j.e.j.

zaxdog wrote: »

I respect that is your opinion and would ask that you afford me the same courtesy. In my opinion a dogs life is just as important. I know plenty of folk whose deaths wouldn't make me shed a tear but I love my animals.

Oh and humans are animals just ones that have evolved to be the best killers.

So following that line of argument, butchers are murderers and ought to be imprisoned? Or is it ok to kill an animal as long as it's not a fluffy household pet?

And yes, of course there are animal welfare regulations in the meat industry, I'm just wondering where you draw the line between animals we can kill and eat and animals whose lives have the same value as human beings.

You can't say a dog's life is the same value as a child, unless you happen to be a Jain monk and you believe ALL life has equal value.

catkins

Miski wrote: »

Or more sense than some in this thread going a little dramatic and emotional

It's not dramatic or emotional to think someone who treated animals so cruelly deserve prison. A prison sentence is possible for animal abuse so what exactly would someone have to do to an animal to get one?

j.e.j. wrote: »

But surely you are intelligent enough to understand that an animal is not a human being?

I do agree that the laws/rulings need to be enforced, though. Why bother having them if they'e not going to be enforced?

Of course I realise that an animal is not a human being but they have feelings and they feel pain, distress etc. Those poor dogs (and they were only puppies) suffered a horrible death.

My argument is if a mother can get sentenced to 15 years for starving a child to death why do these people not even get 1 day in prison for starving 8 dogs to death? I never suggested they deserve 15 years or 10 years or even 1 year BUT they do deserve some time in prison.

A child's life is worth 15 years a dog's life is worth nothing.

j.e.j. wrote: »

You can't say a dog's life is the same value as a child, unless you happen to be a Jain monk and you believe ALL life has equal value.

I think someone who causes a child's death deserves a harsher sentence than someone who causes a dog's death but just giving a fine is not a fair punishment.

I certainly believe all living creatures are entitled to a life. I never knowingly harm any creature. I won't kill spiders even though I am terrified of them or wasps even though I have a very bad reaction if I get stung by one. I don't kill snails or slugs in my garden. If my garden gets overrun with them I collect them and take them to the nearest woods.

When it rains I make sure I do not walk on the snails, slugs or worms on the pavements.

amistupid

Maximum sentences are virtually never given for any criminal offence.

The maximum penalty for causing unnecessary suffering to an animal is only 51 weeks or £20,000 fine or both (plus disqualification orders), I strongly believe they should be drastically increased, but under the current legislation, like the RSPCA officer in the case, I believe the sentences given were appropriate.

ineed

trolleyrun wrote: »

For those of a sensitive disposition - do not open the link, it's got very graphic pictures!
(I don't want anyone getting upset by the pictures).

Vile people - I have no words to describe how I feel about them.

Thanks for the warning, I only opened and read the headline.

:mad::mad::mad::( unbelievable, putting innocent animals in such a situation. Evil and vile doesn't cover it.

likelyfran

I'm not going to open the link, I couldn't stand it.
I can sadly imagine though.
As I've just 'heard' someone say on another thread, unfortunately and shamefully, animals are just regarded as 'things' or 'chattel' in our legal system.
That, and the (text removed by MSE Forum Team) who wilfully abuse animals STINK!!!!!!! :mad:
Going now before I upset myself too much..
Nice to know there are other kind people out there though who think as I do...

likelyfran

calicocat wrote: »

I'm not looking at the pics.....but utter scum bags.


And they should have got prison along side being starved.

I feel like I would have little compunction in battering such people (the abusers) to a pulp, with my bare hands. The law regards animals as 'things'. Ignorance.

likelyfran

ameliarate wrote: »

It is neither being dramatic or emotional to care about the welfare of animals. I worry about those who don't quite frankly. What kind of people are we if we are completely oblivious to the pain and suffering of any creature?

The lady you quote has posted before about not 'being bothered' about animals.....
I completely agree with you ameliarate, but sadly it seems like we are in a minority in this world.
Personally, I do think that all 'animal' (including us) life is equal and that no animal should be purposefully killed for humans to eat (it's ignorant, cruel - no matter 'how' it's done, and just not necessary) - I'm definitely in a minority!