Parking fine while picking up children

Rover_Driver

andygb wrote: »

Drop child off - very slowly of course, then return at your leisure, via the "mummy's meeting", and the shops - in fact as the regulations and road markings do not apply to you, then fill your boots - do the Christmas shopping as well;)

There are several exemptions to the yellow line restrictions - think of blue badge holders who, under some circumstances, can do exactly that

Rover_Driver

WTFH wrote: »

If you believe that legal loopholes are more important than safety, then you really have missed the point. Equally, if you think one person has a right to abandon a car for AT LEAST 9 minutes where they choose, then you seem to be missing the point about personal responsibility for actions.

Those are my issues. safety & responsibility.

It has nothing to do with legal loopholes or safety and responsibility, there are several exemptions written in to the waiting and loading legislation, one of which is boarding and alighting, and some exemptions can be much longer than 9 minutes

The exemption is only for the yellow line restriction, not for inconsiderate parking.

WTFH

Rover_Driver wrote: »

It has nothing to do with legal loopholes or safety and responsibility, there are several exemptions written in to the waiting and loading legislation, one of which is boarding and alighting, and some exemptions can be much longer than 9 minutes

The exemption is only for the yellow line restriction, not for inconsiderate parking.

...except I, and others, are being told we are "missing the point" because we haven't put in any assumptions (like others have), nor have we suggested the OP might be able to appeal based on these assumptions. The OP left their car on a single yellow line for at least 9 minutes. That is a fact.
The reason the OP did it was because it was cold. That is a fact.
Yellow lines are put on public roads for safety and traffic management reasons. That is a fact.
There are no assumptions in those three facts. There are no ifs or maybes. I haven't missed the point.

iammumtoone

On our way to school today we nearly got run over, on the pavement :eek:

I am mentioning it on this thread (hope no one minds) as I don't want to start another and cause yet another argumentative thread around school parking issues. I know people are reading this that know the law so just asking before I considering complaining.

This is not the first time it has happened to my son and I. We walk everyday and the cars mount the pavements to park (there are no lines or anything so they are entitled to park there). The cars park half on the pavement and on several occasions I have had to stop/move to avoid a car that clearly has not seen us (probably too busy looking to avoid other cars on the road)! sometimes it feels as if we are walking along a road. Are they allowed to do this? To be fair if they didn't the cars would not be able to get through the road so its a difficult one but surely my son and I should be able to feel safe walking along a pavement.

Rover_Driver

WTFH wrote: »

...except I, and others, are being told we are "missing the point" because we haven't put in any assumptions (like others have), nor have we suggested the OP might be able to appeal based on these assumptions. The OP left their car on a single yellow line for at least 9 minutes. That is a fact.
The reason the OP did it was because it was cold. That is a fact.
Yellow lines are put on public roads for safety and traffic management reasons. That is a fact.
There are no assumptions in those three facts. There are no ifs or maybes. I haven't missed the point.

The car was left on a yellow line for 9 minutes - There are exemptions that allow that.

The driver escorted the child to school - There are exemptions that allow that.

Yellow lines are a traffic management matter - There are several exemptions to yellow line restrictions.

Road safety, obstruction, and inconsiderate parking are totally different matters, and have little or no exemptions.

WTFH

Rover_Driver wrote: »

The car was left on a yellow line for 9 minutes - There are exemptions that allow that.

No, the car was there for at least 9 minutes - the 9 minute timing is what is on the ticket.

Rover_Driver wrote: »

The driver escorted the child to school - There are exemptions that allow that.

Is "it's cold" one of the exemptions? i.e. the reason the OP gave for parking where they did.

Iceweasel

iammumtoone wrote: »

On our way to school today we nearly got run over, on the pavement :eek:

I am mentioning it on this thread (hope no one minds) as I don't want to start another and cause yet another argumentative thread around school parking issues. I know people are reading this that know the law so just asking before I considering complaining.

This is not the first time it has happened to my son and I. We walk everyday and the cars mount the pavements to park (there are no lines or anything so they are entitled to park there). The cars park half on the pavement and on several occasions I have had to stop/move to avoid a car that clearly has not seen us (probably too busy looking to avoid other cars on the road)! sometimes it feels as if we are walking along a road. Are they allowed to do this? To be fair if they didn't the cars would not be able to get through the road so its a difficult one but surely my son and I should be able to feel safe walking along a pavement.

I would suggest that these cars are causing an obstruction - to pedestrians, including those pushing a pram, or those in a wheelchair.

Far too often the offence of 'obstruction is seen as obstructing the highway'.

Pavement users have rights too.

I would report it, if it's a regular occurrence ,and see what the Police do - as that is a criminal offence as opposed to parking which generally has been de-criminalised.

Iceweasel

WTFH wrote: »

Is "it's cold" one of the exemptions? i.e. the reason the OP gave for parking where they did.

I'm thinking the weather could be a very useful means of claiming an exemption, and thus stop for alighting purposes on a single or double yellow.

That way the young child would not be exposed to excessive cold in the Winter, wind in the Autumn,, rain in the Spring, or heat in the Summertime.

Rover_Driver

WTFH wrote: »

No, the car was there for at least 9 minutes - the 9 minute timing is what is on the ticket.



Is "it's cold" one of the exemptions? i.e. the reason the OP gave for parking where they did.

Possibly, depending on the circumstances. The exemption is boarding and alighting, which includes escorting where necessary.

Tilt

iammumtoone wrote: »

On our way to school today we nearly got run over, on the pavement :eek:

I am mentioning it on this thread (hope no one minds) as I don't want to start another and cause yet another argumentative thread around school parking issues. I know people are reading this that know the law so just asking before I considering complaining.

This is not the first time it has happened to my son and I. We walk everyday and the cars mount the pavements to park (there are no lines or anything so they are entitled to park there). The cars park half on the pavement and on several occasions I have had to stop/move to avoid a car that clearly has not seen us (probably too busy looking to avoid other cars on the road)! sometimes it feels as if we are walking along a road. Are they allowed to do this? To be fair if they didn't the cars would not be able to get through the road so its a difficult one but surely my son and I should be able to feel safe walking along a pavement.

No problems... nice to have a diversion from the hammer and chiseling going on here!

Simple answer is no, they are not allowed to park on the pavement unless there are signs indicating that you can (very rare places indeed!)

Have you bought this problem to the attention of your local authority? They should send a CEO down to check it out if you contact them with your concerns.