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wotsthat

custardy wrote: »

You mean like the £1 billion tram line just built in Edinburgh?
no,they didnt bother keying in cycling infrastructure

Does anyone have any experience of using this in Edinburgh?

Stick a 23c wheel down those tram lines and there will be a meeting of cyclist and tarmac.

Near me there was a major road built linking the M1 and the M6 in the midlands. Cyclists were a 'prime consideration' so to negotiate the M1 end the A50 needs to be crossed twice by subterranean tunnels, a cyclepath needs to be negotiated (well it's got a picture of a bike on it) which is full of composting trees, glass and litter and has never been swept in 8 years. If you can manage that and are brave enough to cycle through the traveller's dogs you need to then get off the bike and climb over an earth mound placed on the path to (not) prevent the travellers living there.

I think the cycle route was probably designed by the It's a Knockout team.

Loughton_Monkey

wotsthat wrote: »

......I think the cycle route was probably designed by the It's a Knockout team.

Phew!

Thought I'd look this one up on wiki to see if I could discover what sinister characteristics you may be alluding to....

At the top, I was greeted by a message "This article has multiple issues."

I guess that's what you meant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Knockout

Generali

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

Phew!

Thought I'd look this one up on wiki to see if I could discover what sinister characteristics you may be alluding to....

At the top, I was greeted by a message "This article has multiple issues."

I guess that's what you meant?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Knockout

I once wrote to Jim'll Fix It to get on It's a Knockout.

That was a bad day:(

Loughton_Monkey

Generali wrote: »

I once wrote to Jim'll Fix It to get on It's a Knockout.

That was a bad day:(

Given that you were aged 23 at the time, I'm not surprised you didn't qualify.....

michaels

angrypirate wrote: »

It also says give cyclists as much room as you would a car
Rules 163
give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car.

I probably leave a gap between my car and any car I am passing of at least 2 feet. If passing a cyclist or horse I would try and at least double this gap.

If the cyclists were two abreast I would obviously need to move at least 4 feet further to the right to give the same space to the outside rider.

custardy

wotsthat wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience of using this in Edinburgh?

Stick a 23c wheel down those tram lines and there will be a meeting of cyclist and tarmac.

Near me there was a major road built linking the M1 and the M6 in the midlands. Cyclists were a 'prime consideration' so to negotiate the M1 end the A50 needs to be crossed twice by subterranean tunnels, a cyclepath needs to be negotiated (well it's got a picture of a bike on it) which is full of composting trees, glass and litter and has never been swept in 8 years. If you can manage that and are brave enough to cycle through the traveller's dogs you need to then get off the bike and climb over an earth mound placed on the path to (not) prevent the travellers living there.

I think the cycle route was probably designed by the It's a Knockout team.

bigger than 23c



Nice pinch point of death if you choose not to cross the tracks and stay left



or the now infamous Haymarket turn



which led to this 'solution'



The designated cycle route thats actually a taxi/drop off point



so leave the road past the lane intruding taxis,go into a taxi area with taxis pulling out to leave,peds going to/fron the station and rejoin the traffic you left on the same bend

TruckerT

For centuries, we have had carriageways, and we have had walkways. Until relatively recently, there has been no obvious need for a separate network of cycleways.


Hopefully, cyclists will eventually have their own dedicated space, but in the meantime we have no choice but to intrude into the space of others.


But I hope I will never become a 'martyr to the cause' as a result of failing to recognise my vulnerability.


TruckerT

custardy

TruckerT wrote: »

For centuries, we have had carriageways, and we have had walkways. Until relatively recently, there has been no obvious need for a separate network of cycleways.


Hopefully, cyclists will eventually have their own dedicated space, but in the meantime we have no choice but to intrude into the space of others.


But I hope I will never become a 'martyr to the cause' as a result of failing to recognise my vulnerability.


TruckerT

Well it depends how you view it
before car ownership became the norm,we had mass bike use
What comes first? need or infrastructure?
we went with need,some other countries went with infrastructure

antrobus

custardy wrote: »

Well it depends how you view it
before car ownership became the norm,we had mass bike use

So it seems that the public have voluntarily decided they prefer cars to pedal cycles.

custardy wrote: »

What comes first? need or infrastructure?
we went with need,some other countries went with infrastructure

And yet we have the safest roads in the developed world.

TruckerT

custardy wrote: »

before car ownership became the norm,we had mass bike use

and before bikes there were donkeys - should we also have donkeyways?


TruckerT