The economy needs just-in-time deliveries

skivenov

Sigh, the thread's about HGV's.

TruckerT

custardy wrote: »

Sigh,where in the article did you see any mention of HGVs?
Take the blinkers off
This is about a change in social attitude and seeing long term goals,not where the next Yorkie is coming from
You think people in Copenhagen dont buy things?

Why don't you ride your bike alongside the railway lines? No junctions, no roundabouts, no pedestrians, no door mirrors to tear your lycra...


It would be relatively simple to pour some concrete into the ballast in order to provide a firm base for cycling.


TruckerT

custardy

TruckerT wrote: »

Why don't you ride your bike alongside the railway lines? No junctions, no roundabouts, no pedestrians, no door mirrors to tear your lycra...


It would be relatively simple to pour some concrete into the ballast in order to provide a firm base for cycling.


TruckerT

You mean like the £1 billion tram line just built in Edinburgh?
no,they didnt bother keying in cycling infrastructure

custardy

skivenov wrote: »

Sigh, the thread's about HGV's.

The thread is about the economy
The world doesnt end when changes come

TruckerT

custardy wrote: »

You mean like the £1 billion tram line just built in Edinburgh?
no,they didnt bother keying in cycling infrastructure

All you have to do is paint a white line down the middle of the raised bit between the tramways, and you have a perfect 2-way cycle track. Watch out for the lamp-posts though!


TruckerT

TheFactory

custardy wrote: »

right over your head
so the presently licensed ones follow the letter of the law now?

Actually, seemingly right over your head.

Do you think if we removed licencing, numberplates and to some extent accountability for car drivers the standard off driving would go up or down? Do you think the road would become safer for other road users such as HGV's?

You have a flawed argument, you are correct that presently licenced drivers do not follow the letter of the law but removing this would clearly make things worse.

custardy

TheFactory wrote: »

Actually, seemingly right over your head.

Do you think if we removed licencing, numberplates and to some extent accountability for car drivers the standard off driving would go up or down? Do you think the road would become safer for other road users such as HGV's?

You have a flawed argument, you are correct that presently licenced drivers do not follow the letter of the law but removing this would clearly make things worse.

Not really,you simply dont have an answer
How are you going to set up this registration scheme?
all bikes?
Only new bikes?
Only new road bikes?
what about if i buy a frame?
Do the bikes have licence plates that are easily visible?

Who is covering the cost of this?
I seem to recall the DVLA is run at a loss now

So this bike licence
at what age does it kick in?
Do you have to wear L plates while you learn if you are over that age?


Its the same old argument creating barriers to cycling.
The very opposite of what government policy should be

custardy

TruckerT wrote: »

All you have to do is paint a white line down the middle of the raised bit between the tramways, and you have a perfect 2-way cycle track. Watch out for the lamp-posts though!


TruckerT

So this 'perfect' 2 way cycle track
wide enough is it?
In between 4 lanes of traffic with Trams and tram lines thrown in
Those 'lamp post' would be the power lines for the trams.
Shall we just remove them?
what about the right turn ahead?
How do cyclists actually get on and off this mecca of a faclity?
also bearing in mind the requirement to cross tram lines at an acute angle whilst dodging traffic

on a serious note. this is the heart of Edinburgh and as you can see,no HGVs! (well excluding early AM hours for delivery :eek: )
and yet no real cycling infrastructure

Generali

TruckerT wrote: »

All you have to do is paint a white line down the middle of the raised bit between the tramways, and you have a perfect 2-way cycle track. Watch out for the lamp-posts though!


TruckerT

My experience of cycling at Tower Hill in London where the cycle lane is a white line is that the cycle lane is full of HGVs ignoring the white line.

I once tried passing the 2 lanes of HGVs, buses and cars on the right. The sole car in 2 lanes coming in the opposite direction changed lanes from inside to outside and drove straight at me at about 50mph, despite the 30mph speed limit and the (presumed) part of the Highway Code that forbids deliberately trying to kill people.

Drawing a white line on a road isn't a cycle lane any more than putting a 70mph sign up on Picadilly would turn it into a motorway or writing 'CAT' in marker pen on the side of a dog makes it feline!

bugslet

antrobus wrote: »

So if central Paris had no cyclist fatalities in 2011, and central London only had 1 in 2012, things don't look so different.

aaah, thanks for that antrobus!